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Anyone know how Chelsea and Strasbourg can be in the champions league and one of them not be kicked out of the competition a la Crystal Palace re ownership rules?

Wondering if Fifa will try to close the loop, Forrest have a similar model...
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We haven't crossed that bridge yet as Strasbourg didn't qualify for the Champions League last season. If they had, then one team would have had to drop out as per the current rules ...

 
Anyone know how Chelsea and Strasbourg can be in the champions league and one of them not be kicked out of the competition a la Crystal Palace re ownership rules?

Wondering if Fifa will try to close the loop, Forrest have a similar model...
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I'm sure the owners can transfer their shares somehow like Marinkas did if it ever comes to that.

 
Theres always someone working hard to close loopholes in business rules....however there is always a dozen people looking for the next loophole to exploit.

There are probably schemes or angles to avoid the next loophole crushing rule just sitting on the shelf ready to go.

 
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Anyone know how Chelsea and Strasbourg can be in the champions league and one of them not be kicked out of the competition a la Crystal Palace re ownership rules?

Wondering if Fifa will try to close the loop, Forrest have a similar model...
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City and Girona have played UCL simultaneously as have the Red Bull clubs.

The only reason why Palace got f**ked is because Textor never transferred his shares because he never expected them to be playing Europe or a conflicting competition with Lyon.

and then they won the FA cup.

 
Multi-clubs can play in the same competition so long as their controlling shareholders have an arm's length involvement, typically by moving their shares into a blind trust. They also have to do this by 1 March of the season prior.

Palace are affected because Textor didn’t move his shares in time, which is somewhat understandable given no one could reasonably see Palace in Europe in February.

 
So apparently he's rejoined Chelsea and then we loaned him to Swansea.

How does that work?

 
So apparently he's rejoined Chelsea and then we loaned him to Swansea.

How does that work?
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It's uncommon for obvious reasons but does happen. Our own Cucurella was subject to this back at Barcelona and I think Emerson Royal transfer to Spurs was same thing.

It does feel like for every good thing our board does there's always an amateur hour thing that follows.

 
A more recent example probably being that Tyler Dibbling we signed from Southampton in July only for him to go back to Southampton a month later. He was homesick I believe, could be the same issue with Ishe.

 
It's uncommon for obvious reasons but does happen. Our own Cucurella was subject to this back at Barcelona and I think Emerson Royal transfer to Spurs was same thing.

It does feel like for every good thing our board does there's always an amateur hour thing that follows.
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Wouldn't say it was amateur hour, we sent Chilwell to Strasbourg to get his big wages of our bill and he plays in the same position as Samuels-Smith so we decided it's better to send him somewhere he's going to play every week.

 
Wouldn't say it was amateur hour, we sent Chilwell to Strasbourg to get his big wages of our bill and he plays in the same position as Samuels-Smith so we decided it's better to send him somewhere he's going to play every week.
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1) I am 99% sure we are still paying Chilwell's wages. It's a huge reach to think he gave up his 200k or Strasbourg are paying his wages fully.

2) Sending Samuels-Smith there in the first place wasn't a great decision as he wouldn't have played much anyway as they are pretty stacked at left back.

3) If Chilwell to Strasbourg was the only option why send Ishe there to begin with. Should have skipped the middle man and just loaned him ourselves.

 
1) I am 99% sure we are still paying Chilwell's wages. It's a huge reach to think he gave up his 200k or Strasbourg are paying his wages fully.

2) Sending Samuels-Smith there in the first place wasn't a great decision as he wouldn't have played much anyway as they are pretty stacked at left back.

3) If Chilwell to Strasbourg was the only option why send Ishe there to begin with. Should have skipped the middle man and just loaned him ourselves.
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Well said.. won’t be surprised if UEFA throw the books at us before the season ends. Some of the dealings between both parties are just strange.

 
1) I am 99% sure we are still paying Chilwell's wages. It's a huge reach to think he gave up his 200k or Strasbourg are paying his wages fully.

2) Sending Samuels-Smith there in the first place wasn't a great decision as he wouldn't have played much anyway as they are pretty stacked at left back.

3) If Chilwell to Strasbourg was the only option why send Ishe there to begin with. Should have skipped the middle man and just loaned him ourselves.
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  1. We've released him so I don't think we are, maybe have him a small payoff I'm not sure
  2. I have no idea, but I'd imagine Rosenior approved of the transfer
  3. I assume we thought he would have more offer over the summer so we could recoup some money but it didn't happen so we either kept him or sent him to Strasbourg and got him off the wage bill
 
With club releases they either reached an agreement in settlement for the remainder of his contract, or as axman suggested Strasbourg outright bought him out of his contract, which was a little over £10m.

 
Ishe Samuels-Smith had agreed a €7.5m + €0.5m add-ons move to RC Strasbourg, but the permanent transfer has been cancelled. He has rejoined Chelsea, who have immediately loaned him out to Swansea City.

The departure of Ishé Samuels-Smith just over a month after arrival is described as a " mistake." "We understand that this might raise questions, but no one made a profit or a loss in this deal," a source close to the matter assured, following this double transfer.

UEFA seriously need to step in and cancel his contract at his point. They also need to fine/ban us. They also need to ban transfers between connected clubs because we are obviously abusing it.

Why was he out in Strasbourg for over a month? They have yanked an 18yrd old kid from England, sent him out to France with no plan in place or any regard for his career, and he has been used as a pawn and collateral in shifting a ridiculous contract over to Strasbourg. He has now been sent out to Wales where he will be competing with one of Swansea’s best players.

 
Ishe Samuels-Smith had agreed a €7.5m + €0.5m add-ons move to RC Strasbourg, but the permanent transfer has been cancelled. He has rejoined Chelsea, who have immediately loaned him out to Swansea City.

The departure of Ishé Samuels-Smith just over a month after arrival is described as a " mistake." "We understand that this might raise questions, but no one made a profit or a loss in this deal," a source close to the matter assured, following this double transfer.

UEFA seriously need to step in and cancel his contract at his point. They also need to fine/ban us. They also need to ban transfers between connected clubs because we are obviously abusing it.

Why was he out in Strasbourg for over a month? They have yanked an 18yrd old kid from England, sent him out to France with no plan in place or any regard for his career, and he has been used as a pawn and collateral in shifting a ridiculous contract over to Strasbourg. He has now been sent out to Wales where he will be competing with one of Swansea’s best players.
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I don’t disagree with what you say but everything that has been done is within the rules.

FIFA rules permit a player to register for a maximum of three clubs in a single window. That hasn't been breached.

Clubs in the same ownership group can transfer among themselves freely, but the transfers are subject to additional scrutiny for 'fair market value'.

UEFA supports multi-club ownership and has courted it openly since Red Bull got involved. Now it relies financially on enticing American and Middle Eastern investors to follow that model.

The ESL, on the other hand, intends to ban multi-club ownership. It is increasingly looking like a saner alternative to competitions run by FIFA and UEFA hegemony.

 
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Ishe Samuels-Smith had agreed a €7.5m + €0.5m add-ons move to RC Strasbourg, but the permanent transfer has been cancelled. He has rejoined Chelsea, who have immediately loaned him out to Swansea City.

The departure of Ishé Samuels-Smith just over a month after arrival is described as a " mistake." "We understand that this might raise questions, but no one made a profit or a loss in this deal," a source close to the matter assured, following this double transfer.

UEFA seriously need to step in and cancel his contract at his point. They also need to fine/ban us. They also need to ban transfers between connected clubs because we are obviously abusing it.

Why was he out in Strasbourg for over a month? They have yanked an 18yrd old kid from England, sent him out to France with no plan in place or any regard for his career, and he has been used as a pawn and collateral in shifting a ridiculous contract over to Strasbourg. He has now been sent out to Wales where he will be competing with one of Swansea’s best players.
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I'm sorry, what? We agreed the transfer over a month ago. How can we cancel it now? Is there a time period between transfers where both clubs can change their mind? Or is this just a poorly worded way of saying that we paid them the same amount they paid us?

In regards to the transfer of buying a player and selling in same window there's nothing wrong with it, other teams have done this most noticeably Barcelona.

 
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I don’t disagree with what you say but everything that has been done is within the rules.

FIFA rules permit a player to register for a maximum of three clubs in a single window. That hasn't been breached.

Clubs in the same ownership group can transfer among themselves freely, but the transfers are subject to additional scrutiny for 'fair market value'.

UEFA supports multi-club ownership and has courted it openly since Red Bull got involved. Now it relies financially on enticing American and Middle Eastern investors to follow that model.

The ESL, on the other hand, intends to ban multi-club ownership. It is increasingly looking like a saner alternative to competitions run by FIFA and UEFA hegemony.
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Can a transfer cancellation (or a transfer back to selling club) happen after the window has closed?

 
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