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Leo Jardim

If we were to play a 442, I would hope that hazard plays left wing, and signed someone who is more of a goalscorer to play off morata. 

Then we need a quality centre midfielder to partner kante and we would be good to go I think. 

Sergej or Fabinho would be great in midfield, and maybe someone like Werner to play up top.

 
There's no wing in a 4-4-2

Only wide midfielders, which is a different role

 
Eden17 said:
There's no wing in a 4-4-2

Only wide midfielders, which is a different role
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Pedantic.

Google giggs and beckham, and im sure you will find they are described as wingers in the most famous 442 of the last 25 years. 

 
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Dude, no need for rudeness and sarcasm.

I thought two adults could have a civilized disagreement...

 
 
Jardim uses 4-4-2 as it's flexible and can often look like many other formations with different players playing in certain positions. At Monaco, his two wide players were not your typical wide players and spent a lot of time drifting centrally similarly to Hazard under Mourinho. He usually has one out and out striker and a second striker that played a similar role to Griezmann at Atletico who would drop into the hole to orche strategy with his midfielders. His width would come from the full backs that advanced in a similar fashion to our wingbacks. He played 2 midfielders, one holding that recycled possession with the centre backs and one box to box who would drive from deep to join attacks.

They attacked with width and often cross the ball using fullbacks combining with their wide players. They attacked heavily in numbers and often played long direct balls to increase the speed of transitions from defence to attack. They never played long balls without purpose though as they had so many players forwards and so much movement they tended to fashion space in which balls could be played forwards. 

They defended quite openly and marked man to man. A very aggressive man marking press with a compact center where they would aim to tirelessly win the ball back. 

They don't dominate the ball but are never dominated due to the pace in which they play. They attack in ridiculous numbers and at ridiculous speeds and defend tirelessly. I genuinely have no idea how they are so successful as they are so seemingly naive in their approach. 

Games with Jardim rarely see one team dominating the ball as they force teams to open up due to their tireless pressure. Same thing happened to Man City who struggled to deal with them.

 
Reading a bit more into this. Seems Jardim (and Campos) are very close with Jorge Mendes. Which might be helpful for us to rebuild our squad and convince players to join given our lack of CL football.

 
Eden17 said:
Just for reference:

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-4-4-2-formation-3557644

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/09/02/guide-to-4-4-2/

https://www.surefiresoccer.com/understanding-the-4-4-2-formation/

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-giggs/profil/spieler/3406

https://www.premierleague.com/players/335/Ryan-Giggs/overview

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ryan-giggs-at-40-how-the-manchester-united-midfielder-did-it-8970866.html

This position in a 4-4-2 is called "Wide Midfielder" and differs from the Wingers and the Inside Forwards

This is just a fact
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Only just saw this.

I was never disputing the fact that the position is a wide midfielder. Anyone who grew up watching English football in the 90's, when most teams played 442, would have no problem describing the wide players as wingers. For you to try to correct me was extremely pendantic, and patronising. 

Anyway moving on from this, 

Spiller86 said:
Reading a bit more into this. Seems Jardim (and Campos) are very close with Jorge Mendes. Which might be helpful for us to rebuild our squad and convince players to join given our lack of CL football.
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Bringing in Campos and Jardim would be great. Although would roman be willing to relinquish that much power? 

I think a director of football is as vital as the new manager in the summer. 

 
big blue said:
Only just saw this.

I was never disputing the fact that the position is a wide midfielder. Anyone who grew up watching English football in the 90's, when most teams played 442, would have no problem describing the wide players as wingers. For you to try to correct me was extremely pendantic, and patronising.
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I'm sorry if it came out that way, I didn't mean to

All I was trying to say is that Hazard's position and role would be different if we played a 4-4-2

Have a nice day :)

 
I think if we are able to keep hold of Kante in our team, he has such dynamism, purpose and strength that initial formations have only a notional importance. Hazard in any formation would still have the licence to be creative if you had Kante and, say, a similar strong roaming midfielder (I would love to see Kante and Pogba in our midfield, but I know we can't compete moneywise) galloping through the midfield, pressing the opposition and nicking back possession.

Hazard is important of course, but we shouldn't be blinkered either. Whilst I don't doubt his importance to us and my sphincter tightens every time I read a rumour of him leaving, let's be honest his impact has been negligible (that's being diplomatic) these last couple of months and he has largely been given a free pass, and yet still pouts and mutters when he is inevitably substituted having not had a shot on target.

We need a team that consistently develops and improves with occasional critical changes to important positions. We shouldn't continue on the merry go round of wholesale changes to the team and to the manager.

I am happy with any manager that wants to play the football I like, which is high tempo high pressing football, which I think is entertaining, and then is give the chance to create a settled squad that is continually improved (Crikey, have I just described Spuds!).

I, along with a significant number of our fan base, just lose interest in this constant soap opera of hiring and firing managers and the apparent lack of engagement and commitment to the club from players and management.

I just want us in the papers for the quality of our football. It's not even about winning things for me, its about entertaining football and competing.

 
It would be wonderful. He didn't won anything here at pt with sporting but took them to the second place qualifying for the cl group stage after the worst season in the club history (7th place) and with a mediocre squad. Great job at olympiakos, champion at monaco...

Jorge Mendes is friends with monaco rather than Jardim himself, and Mendes is an expert at making great deals out of awful players, but who knows

 
Interested & excited of the thought of Jardim & Campos coming in. A coach & DoF that are on the same wavelength just makes sense surely?

 
Didn’t know much about this guy but having read up on him, I actually think he would be a good fit. 

Looking at the way things are going, we definitely need someone who has a proven record of maximising the squad and youth WHILST winning. 

 
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