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Liverpool Vs Chelsea (PL) Sat 25 Nov 2017 KO 17:30 GMT

joey69 said:
wud  happily take a draw here.
With mane and coutinho back they will cause all sorts of problems and we might not cope if they click.
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Can't afford draws at the moment, not the way City are playing; we need to stay as close as we can; drop 3 points here and we are playing for a top 4 spot only....the boys will be up for this 1-2 to the good guys 

 
All I ask in this game is for the players to give 110% for this game.

We have a massive fixture pileup going into December. Coaching team needs to step up a gear in terms of player fitness and rest.

 
We have had a tough start to the season, but despite quantity, the fixture list  seems to have a lot of winnable games up to Xmas. We stand a good chance of catching united over this period. Hopefully we can add another attacker or two in January as I feel we are short of options there. 

Salah is an excellent player that Jose ruined for Chelsea, just like de Briuyne. He will cause problems against Alonso/Cahill. Elsewhere I feel more comfortable. If Moses is back we can attack down our left and with Baka fresh and drinkwater as a strong sub we have a lot going for us in midfield. As usual it will in part depend on whether Morata turns up on the day. 

All in all I’m hopeful, bit then I was against Roma and look what happened there  should be a good game  

 
I think we must go at Anfeild for the win, not for a draw, otherwise the both MU and MC will be quietly set in their seat and Tottenham will move to the 3 place

 
Slojo said:
..................................some stuff........................... and we have dropped far too many points against the top 6 this season. 
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We have 7 out of 12.  We only lost to City, and beat Spuds and the Mancs.  "Too many" is a bit strong I think.  Agree with the rest of your point, though.

 
How many Salah bashers eating their words?  Hope he has a shocker this weekend though, looked to be holding himself back against Sevilla.

 
I don't think it's specifically "Salah-bashing".  When he was here, he was dog-sh*t bad.  He went elsewhere, and appears to have got better.  It happens.

It's the same old 20/20 hindsight that is hugely prevalent in here (and in lots of other areas of society, not just football) that bitchbabies use to moan about De Bruyne, Lukaku etc being sold, when all they did while here was take up a squad place and fail to impress whenever they played (OK, OK, I know KdB had a decent 20 minutes against Hull or some such northern pub team).

Salah was pants, got a bit older, got a bit more experience, moved to a team where they play in a very specific way that appears to be absolutely perfect for his Jack Russell-like chasing after a ball, so looks like a footballer rather than a sprinter.  SWP was 'kin excellent at that, and we let him go as well.  Even Gronkjaer scored.

 
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yorkleyblue said:
I don't think it's specifically "Salah-bashing".  When he was here, he was dog-sh*t bad.  He went elsewhere, and appears to have got better.  It happens.

It's the same old 20/20 hindsight that is hugely prevalent in here (and in lots of other areas of society, not just football) that bitchbabies use to moan about De Bruyne, Lukaku etc being sold, when all they did while here was take up a squad place and fail to impress whenever they played (OK, OK, I know KdB had a decent 20 minutes against Hull or some such northern pub team).

Salah was pants, got a bit older, got a bit more experience, moved to a team where they play in a very specific way that appears to be absolutely perfect for his Jack Russell-like chasing after a ball, so looks like a footballer rather than a sprinter.  SWP was 'kin excellent at that, and we let him go as well.  Even Gronkjaer scored.
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Oi YB, I'm no Bitchbaby!!

I agree with a lot of what you say. Salah never looked up to CFC standard, in fact I thought we had signed Marco Marin Mk2. I didn't want us to sell Lukaku, but now I'm not bothered as he still looks hit & miss - flat track bully. But KDB will remain the poorest bit of transfer business we have been involved in and whoever sanctioned the decision to offload him had an absolute shocker. We could all see that the potential was there and he was worth purservering with. Sometimes a player is not going to be an instant success and may make noises that he's not happy but you put an arm around him and keep him in your plans. If another season or two and things still aren't working out then fair enough but KDB was released way to early and most of us didn't need hindsight to know that was going to prove a poor decision.

 
That's as maybe @Nibs I wasn't that convinced at the time, and am still of the opinion that he showed nothing special whilst with us.  Like a lot of players, he improved but, also like a lot of players, didn't do enough while with us to justify a place.  Look at Matic - wasn't CFC standard and got sold.  Vastly improved whilst away, and got bought back and was excellent.  Went down a bit lately, but that's another matter.

AND, I still think KdB is a flawed player who happens to be playing in an excellent team which matches his skill set.  I maintain that his decision-making is dubious at best and he goes missing in the big games

 
I like Salah offensively - he's fast and is beginning to score a lot of goals.  But to me he is part of the reason Liverpool ship in a lot of goals.  i dont see his contribution defensively and i think we can really capitalise on this.  Offensively Liverpool are good but I see a huge imbalance if they play Mane Salah Firminho Coutinho and Henderson.  Henderson is not that good and we cannot compare him to the likes of Kante.  I think this leads to a good offense but weak Central midfield!  We already know their defence is sh*t and I think we have at least 2 goals tomorrow.  If we just manage to defend them when they attack, I dont see anything else but a Chelsea win!  I expect us to dorminat the mid with Bakayoko Ngolo and Cesc.  Hazard and Alvaro should definitely get a few chances

 
Salah and Mane will cause us all sorts of problems, and will probably target Alonso's side, if Klopp does any pre-game research at all. I can see them pressing us high up the field like they did last year and we may struggle to keep the ball, so we'll need Morata on his game to hold it up well when it comes to him.

 
yorkleyblue said:
That's as maybe @Nibs I wasn't that convinced at the time, and am still of the opinion that he showed nothing special whilst with us.  Like a lot of players, he improved but, also like a lot of players, didn't do enough while with us to justify a place.  Look at Matic - wasn't CFC standard and got sold.  Vastly improved whilst away, and got bought back and was excellent.  Went down a bit lately, but that's another matter.

AND, I still think KdB is a flawed player who happens to be playing in an excellent team which matches his skill set.  I maintain that his decision-making is dubious at best and he goes missing in the big games
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KDB only made 3 appearances for us. Most Chelsea fans were screaming out for him to get more playing time because he was brilliant during his loan to Werder Bremen - one of the best players in the Bundesliga that season. He then carried on the brilliant form at Wolfsburg. He's been the best player at Genk, Werder Bremen, Wolfsburg and now City - but only got 3 appearances for us. Jose has to take the blame for that one. Salah, Lukaku, Ake and Chalobah leaving didn't bother me and still doesn't - but I'm gutted about KDB!

 
DannyVblue said:
KDB only made 3 appearances for us. Most Chelsea fans were screaming out for him to get more playing time because he was brilliant during his loan to Werder Bremen - one of the best players in the Bundesliga that season. He then carried on the brilliant form at Wolfsburg. He's been the best player at Genk, Werder Bremen, Wolfsburg and now City - but only got 3 appearances for us. Jose has to take the blame for that one. Salah, Lukaku, Ake and Chalobah leaving didn't bother me and still doesn't - but I'm gutted about KDB!
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That's just with hindsight.  "Most Chelsea fans were screaming out for him to get more playing time" is just not true.  Wander back through the threads in here at the time and you'll see.  The best player at Genk and Weder Bremen doesn't actually say much. like being the best player at Bolton or West Ham.  He might well have improved at Wolfsburg, but what is their level?  And you are wrong again, he's not the best player at City either, just a good fit for their team and style. 

There is a reason that he only got 3 appearances with us (if that is in fact the case), and that wasn't because he was ginger or didn't buy Jose a pint at the summer barbecue, it was because he was mostly pants and not good enough to displace first team members. FFS, he was the worst player on the pitch against the mighty Swindon Town.

I'll accept that he is better now than then, but still maintain that he wasn't good enough for a first team place at the time, showed nothing exceptional to say he would be and wasn't patient enough or hard-working enough to force his way into the team by his skill and ability.

 
yorkleyblue said:
That's just with hindsight.  "Most Chelsea fans were screaming out for him to get more playing time" is just not true.  Wander back through the threads in here at the time and you'll see.  The best player at Genk and Weder Bremen doesn't actually say much. like being the best player at Bolton or West Ham.  He might well have improved at Wolfsburg, but what is their level?  And you are wrong again, he's not the best player at City either, just a good fit for their team and style. 

There is a reason that he only got 3 appearances with us (if that is in fact the case), and that wasn't because he was ginger or didn't buy Jose a pint at the summer barbecue, it was because he was mostly pants and not good enough to displace first team members. FFS, he was the worst player on the pitch against the mighty Swindon Town.

I'll accept that he is better now than then, but still maintain that he wasn't good enough for a first team place at the time, showed nothing exceptional to say he would be and wasn't patient enough or hard-working enough to force his way into the team by his skill and ability.
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City have such a good squad YB that it is hard to say who is their best player - so many to choose from. The widespread opinion is that up to this point in the season, KDB has been their standout player and many believe that if City do win the PL this season, then he will be crowned player of the season.

 
yorkleyblue said:
That's just with hindsight.  "Most Chelsea fans were screaming out for him to get more playing time" is just not true.  Wander back through the threads in here at the time and you'll see.  The best player at Genk and Weder Bremen doesn't actually say much. like being the best player at Bolton or West Ham.  He might well have improved at Wolfsburg, but what is their level?  And you are wrong again, he's not the best player at City either, just a good fit for their team and style. 

There is a reason that he only got 3 appearances with us (if that is in fact the case), and that wasn't because he was ginger or didn't buy Jose a pint at the summer barbecue, it was because he was mostly pants and not good enough to displace first team members. FFS, he was the worst player on the pitch against the mighty Swindon Town.

I'll accept that he is better now than then, but still maintain that he wasn't good enough for a first team place at the time, showed nothing exceptional to say he would be and wasn't patient enough or hard-working enough to force his way into the team by his skill and ability.
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That's where you're wrong. Maybe in your little bubble KDB wasn't rated, but he was very highly rated by me and the lads at the time, no one could understand why he wasn't playing. You made you're opinion on KDB in 3 games in a Chelsea shirt. Very harsh.

 
yorkleyblue said:
I don't think it's specifically "Salah-bashing".  When he was here, he was dog-sh*t bad.  He went elsewhere, and appears to have got better.  It happens.
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It was flat out Salah bashing.

I said it at the time and have said it since.  He did not get near enough time on the field for anyone to make a judgement on him.  The supporters of Salah said there wasn't enough to go on, but certainly didn't write him off, while the opposing views were that he was a terrible terrible player.  I remember it clearly.  There was no compromise from the other side of the fence and they bashed him any chance they could get with one gif of him missing the target (by a long long way, but everyone's has been there).  Very typical of twitter/this forum in general at the time.

 
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