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Zeta said:
Don't see the point in signing him just to loan him out, we need LB cover now, not in a years time. Unless we use Baba from Jan - Summer, but then what if he does well and we've signed Shaw as well, then we've got 3 LBs for 2 positions.
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Agreed and if that happens, we'll have 2 average fullbacks and 1 decent fullback.

With Shaw, I'm a bit on the fence but I'm leaning to not signing him because his good form came when he was 18. Since then, he hasn't progressed at all and the leg break stagnanted him massively. Mourinho keeps throwing him under the bus hasn't helped and concerns by pretty much every manager about him turning up overweight is not encouraging.

He probably needs to reinvent himself at a club away from the spotlight to build up confidence again like Zouma did.

 
Zeta said:
Don't see the point in signing him just to loan him out, we need LB cover now, not in a years time. Unless we use Baba from Jan - Summer, but then what if he does well and we've signed Shaw as well, then we've got 3 LBs for 2 positions.
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He isn't good enough now though. He will maybe good enough down the line. He is still only 22. I don't think we need to bring in cover at left back. I'm all for trying to upgrade alonso's place, but I wouldn't be looking to spend money on another left wing back to warm the bench. We have options there with Azpiliucueta, kenedy, or even moses and pedro at a pinch. Baba is in a similar position to Shaw, he needs to go out on loan and play regularly. 

Whether Shaw would even want to go out on loan is questionable though, but he's 4th or 5th choice at Utd for a reason. 

 
Deino said:
Agreed and if that happens, we'll have 2 average fullbacks and 1 decent fullback.

With Shaw, I'm a bit on the fence but I'm leaning to not signing him because his good form came when he was 18. Since then, he hasn't progressed at all and the leg break stagnanted him massively. Mourinho keeps throwing him under the bus hasn't helped and concerns by pretty much every manager about him turning up overweight is not encouraging.

He probably needs to reinvent himself at a club away from the spotlight to build up confidence again like Zouma did.
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That last paragraph is exactly why it would be a good reason to loan him out. Buy him while his stock is low,  loan him out and see if he can start looking like a top player again. 

Depending on the price, it could even be worth it just to sell him on, since there is such a premium on English players.

 
I would certainly not be angry at us signing Shaw.
I was pissed when he went to United as I thought he was a cracking player.

I don't think Mourinho ever fancied him to be honest.

we need depth at Left back and he's a prime candidate.

 
Why not, they got Matic off us and we will return the favour with Shaw. Jose never backed him, while we desperately need covers, make sense.

 
icecoolguy22 said:
Why not, they got Matic off us and we will return the favour with Shaw. Jose never backed him, while we desperately need covers, make sense.
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The difference is we're a classy club whilst Mou is bitter and childish. He'd rather lose him on a free a few years down the line than give him to us.

 
icecoolguy22 said:
Why not, they got Matic off us and we will return the favour with Shaw. Jose never backed him, while we desperately need covers, make sense.
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Remember how Arsenal almost loaned Ba then he put a stop to it once Ozil iirc went to Arsenal? He's a massive d for any opposition.

Unless he knows that there isn't a chance that Shaw will come good

 
Deino said:
Remember how Arsenal almost loaned Ba then he put a stop to it once Ozil iirc went to Arsenal? He's a massive d for any opposition.

Unless he knows that there isn't a chance that Shaw will come good
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Dont worry. According to him KDB/Lukaku/Salah etc etc were not going to come good. So we have a decent opportunity.

 
News doing the rounds today that he may be available for 20m, I cant se Jose and or Utd selling him to a rival anyway and if I was Shaw, id go somewhere where I would be first choice ASAP, if he wants to be on the plane to Russia in the summer, he has to have a big end to the season.

 
Make sense to bid for him, we way over worked Alonso this season. What happened to Baba, has he been sold? Kennedy was meant to be on loan, so if Alonso is out we are screwed. Being Jose, he'd probably do a swap deal for Rose, instead of taking our money.

 
10-12m is the most I'd pay. But we should have Baba back from injury by Jan, so might be easier to just use him.

 
Problem is, he always looks too fat. Needs to get in the gym

 
apparently one of the fittest on their team though, so jut think it's his build. 

 
enigma said:
apparently one of the fittest on their team though, so jut think it's his build. 
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Don't think so, anyone who trains like a professional footballer should be in peak physical condition with roughly a 10-12% bodyfat. I reckon it's his diet that isn't in check. I'm sure he'd still outrun me even if his diet consisted solely of coke and deep fried mars bars though.

 
RMCM said:
Don't think so, anyone who trains like a professional footballer should be in peak physical condition with roughly a 10-12% bodyfat. I reckon it's his diet that isn't in check. I'm sure he'd still outrun me even if his diet consisted solely of coke and deep fried mars bars though.
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Lampard and Rooney always looked bigger throughout their careers. We have no way of knowing Shaw's body fat. If anyone can get the best out of him, it'd be Conte. Certainly worth a punt for 20m.

 
RIP Mourinho said:
Lampard and Rooney always looked bigger throughout their careers. We have no way of knowing Shaw's body fat. If anyone can get the best out of him, it'd be Conte. Certainly worth a punt for 20m.
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Absolutely, I'd take him for 20m, not many other homegrown left backs as good as him that would go for that price

 
No brianer for me... we need a right wing back, Alonso can't continue at this rate of games in that position.. 

 
won't happen as we now have Emerson, but would be love to have him and Alonso as our wing back options.

just watched the Mourinho press conference too, can't remember Jose ever being as harsh to a player before  

 
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