Man City Charges

[The Rising Sun]

Of course Arsenal weren't punished back in the 1990s !! ! ....

""Arsenal's Punishment in the Bung Scandal
Overview of the Incident
George Graham, the former manager of Arsenal, was involved in a scandal where he accepted illegal payments from an agent.
The payments were linked to the transfer of players John Jensen and Pål Lydersen in 1992.
Outcome of the Investigation
Following an inquiry by the Football Association, Graham was found guilty and received a one-year ban from football.
Despite the serious nature of the allegations, Arsenal Football Club itself was not punished by the league.""

 

[axman2526]

I don't know why so many people are determined for a club like Bournemouth to be on a level playing field with Man United.

They are a small club with no fans. They have no right to win things.

This takes me back to the first year's of Roman, my teenage self working in a warehouse up north being harranged by Scousers for supporting a "sh*t club, no Istory".

 

[The Rising Sun]

A lot less clubs go into administration since these rules were brought in.

The issue isn't the wealthy owner asking to be repaid. The issue is when wealthy owners no longer bridge the gaps.

Annual costs don't disappear when an owner stops giving wealth. They are locked into contracts. If a club can't sustain itself without an owner pumping money in EVERY year, it's a problem. That is what PSR is supposed to prevent

Clubs can't sustain themselves when wealthy clubs poach their players either, or when wealthy clubs stopped sharing their large home gate revenues with the away clubs and kept it all to themselves instead.

 

[The Rising Sun]

A lot less clubs go into administration since these rules were brought in.

The issue isn't the wealthy owner asking to be repaid. The issue is when wealthy owners no longer bridge the gaps.

Annual costs don't disappear when an owner stops giving wealth. They are locked into contracts. If a club can't sustain itself without an owner pumping money in EVERY year, it's a problem. That is what PSR is supposed to prevent

Clubs can't sustain themselves when wealthy clubs poach their players either, or when wealthy clubs stopped sharing their large home gate revenues with the away clubs and kept it all to themselves instead.
And PL clubs , far from being profitable, are loaded with more debt than ever and usually make a loss every season.
WE made a record loss for an English club a couple of years ago.

 

[Frankie8Lampard]

Situations like these are why I always prefer audience reviews over so-called "critics'" reviews. Every fan saw what City were doing in plain sight; it made no f**king sense how much money they were getting from their sponsors, and yet you had people like Neville, Carragher and all the pundits constantly saying they were the "best run" club in the league.

 

[Frankie8Lampard]

In the light of a very corrupt summer of football from Trump involving himself in footballing decisions to Infantino's corruption being on full display, whatever decision the Premier League takes here is going to have huge implications for the world of football in the years to come.

 

[bisright1]

FFP isn't designed to make a level playing field.
It's designed to do exactly the opposite, it won't let anyone try to become on a level with United, Liverpool, Arsenal etc .
What about Newcastle, Villa etc ? Don't they have the right to win things either??

Yeah it's designed to be a salary cap, where clubs can spend whatever they generate from their fan base.

I absolutely do not want a level playing field. A level playing field means all a team needs to do is hope they get a rich owner come in and they might win the league. I think winning the league should be more likely for a club with a proper fan base - which includes Villa and Newcastle.

Villa have every right to win things, and they have the right to be run well enough to not be relegated.

Remember when they were relegated in 2016? They'd gambled a lot of money on getting champions league, ran up debts that wouldn't be allowed now and it backfired. If they weren't so bad at transfers over the past few years they would have a much healthier squad. However in 10 years they've gone from the Championship to the Champions League. So I personally think their fans should be happier now than they were pre PSR.

 

[bisright1]

1992. George Graham took a £425,000 bung...
I can't remember the Arsenal being sanctioned or punished over it .
If it had been Chelsea though.....



Bung allegations and match-fixing rumours plagued English football during the early 1990s. George Graham, manager from 1986 to 1996, was busted accepting an illegal payment of just over £425,000 in 1992 from Rune Hauge, the notorious football agent from Norway. This occurred when Arsenal Football Club signed two of Hauge’s clients, Pal Lydersen and John Jensen.

I mean just look at what United did with Bebe.

Every club in the league does dodgy business over transfers.

City though is a different level.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

whatever decision the Premier League takes here is going to have huge implications for the world of football in the years to come.

This, this, and this.

Whatever the punishment is, it has to match the scale of influence City’s actions have had across the entire football pyramid. And that’s just within England. If UEFA were to uphold the charges as well...

After some reading and thinking, the only sanction that actually fits the magnitude of the wrongdoing is removing the owners entirely and forcing a Premier League vote on expulsion. It would be fascinating to see where clubs like Newcastle, Villa, and Forest land on that decision, and whether they’d support expulsion.

And even if the Premier League expels them, the EFL still has to decide whether it wants City back. That vote alone would harm whichever club gets displaced. Which is why the only punishment that truly matches the scale of the damage is expulsion to non-league football.

 

[OTL]

Pep is putting his support behind the club after hearing some of the specifics of the last few days, not a great look, i wonder if he has something to hide or knew of some irregularities. Peps career is on the line here. City are rapidly becoming a laughing stock, i know social media can be toxic but some of the comments make a mockery of the club from top to bottom.

 

[bisright1]

This, this, and this.

Whatever the punishment is, it has to match the scale of influence City’s actions have had across the entire football pyramid. And that’s just within England. If UEFA were to uphold the charges as well...

After some reading and thinking, the only sanction that actually fits the magnitude of the wrongdoing is removing the owners entirely and forcing a Premier League vote on expulsion. It would be fascinating to see where clubs like Newcastle, Villa, and Forest land on that decision, and whether they’d support expulsion.

And even if the Premier League expels them, the EFL still has to decide whether it wants City back. That vote alone would harm whichever club gets displaced. Which is why the only punishment that truly matches the scale of the damage is expulsion to non-league football.

I think an expulsion vote is incredibly tricky, but might be the route they try to go down.

It would be fascinating, as I can't see a scenario where the EFL let Man City join anywhere higher than League two. Selfishly probably rather they get 3 seasons out of them in the EFL than them just going straight into Championship and winning it. I would probably predict they don't allow them to enter.

That would be monumental. I don't know what happens next, they'll need to sell all their players at any rate they can.

I don't believe they can force an ownership change, but that for me is more important than any other sanction.

 

[dermott]

This, this, and this.

Whatever the punishment is, it has to match the scale of influence City’s actions have had across the entire football pyramid. And that’s just within England. If UEFA were to uphold the charges as well...

After some reading and thinking, the only sanction that actually fits the magnitude of the wrongdoing is removing the owners entirely and forcing a Premier League vote on expulsion. It would be fascinating to see where clubs like Newcastle, Villa, and Forest land on that decision, and whether they’d support expulsion.

And even if the Premier League expels them, the EFL still has to decide whether it wants City back. That vote alone would harm whichever club gets displaced. Which is why the only punishment that truly matches the scale of the damage is expulsion to non-league football.

UEFA's case against them in 2020, resulting in a 2 year ban from European competitions, fell over because UEFA has a statute of limitations. The same would apply now. The PL case proceeds because they have no statute of limitations.

 

[dermott]

I think an expulsion vote is incredibly tricky, but might be the route they try to go down.

It would be fascinating, as I can't see a scenario where the EFL let Man City join anywhere higher than League two. Selfishly probably rather they get 3 seasons out of them in the EFL than them just going straight into Championship and winning it. I would probably predict they don't allow them to enter.

That would be monumental. I don't know what happens next, they'll need to sell all their players at any rate they can.

I don't believe they can force an ownership change, but that for me is more important than any other sanction.

The new regulator can force an ownership change if they get involved.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

Pep is putting his support behind the club after hearing some of the specifics of the last few days, not a great look, i wonder if he has something to hide or knew of some irregularities. Peps career is on the line here. City are rapidly becoming a laughing stock, i know social media can be toxic but some of the comments make a mockery of the club from top to bottom.

Doubt anything could be proven.

But when you look at how Pep walked away from Barcelona and Bayern because Rosell and Rummenigge kept meddling in football decisions, it’s hard not to wonder whether Txiki sold him on City as a place where he’d finally get to operate without limits. It explains why his time at City dwarfs his previous jobs. Doesn’t prove wrongdoing; it just highlights how naïve or blinkered Pep may have been.

Honestly, my esteem for Pep as a manager has dropped dramatically.

 

[El regreso]

If they don’t hand out a ground shattering punishment then the Premier League reputation and ability to draw increased license revenue isn’t risk.

The wild card here is government. They can step in and pressure UK government to step in and help or they pull their investment plans in the UK.

Called it….

This is how they get off the charges!!

 

[WhiteWall]

Just been watching more of this, now focusing upon the complexities surrounding the meting out of the punishment should the fast tracked appeal fail.

For me, realistically I think the cleanest way to handle the timing of things, would be for Man City to be suspended from the league for the remainder of the season, with time served and financial loss to be mitigated against any ultimate sanctions.

Perhaps special dispensation could be granted for their players to be able to go out on loan, outside of the transfer window.

If you listen to the language that the punishment can be handed down whilst appeals are ongoing I can genuinely see their participation in this year's competition being untenable. They can't be expelled or relegated pending the appeal but the atmosphere for the remainder of this season has so many permutations that a suspension from this season PL and CL competitions might be the cleanest solution for now.

 

[Scott Harris]

Called it….

This is how they get off the charges!!

Sounds like he is subtly telling the Premier League to not go too far. Also more proof that they didn't care about Abramovich potentially having links to Putin, they just wanted to point score.

 

[loz]

Not sure i would agree that players should get dispensation. Every player signing for City for years now has done so knowing there was a high risk of a major penalty looming. They took their chances anyway.

However I don't think they be excluded mid season as I do agree that players can't be prevented from playing. So it needs to be a very sizable points deduction. More than enough to ensure relegation. Plus transfer ban for maybe 4 windows plus a hefty fine.

 

[El regreso]

Sounds like he is subtly telling the Premier League to not go too far. Also more proof that they didn't care about Abramovich potentially having links to Putin, they just wanted to point score.

Exactly they will get a slap on the wrist and continue with business as usual.
It’s going to come down to fans and media houses who no spine to put pressure on the premier league.
These cheats will get away with it because of geopolitics!!

 

[All Barco no bite]

This takes me back to the first year's of Roman, my teenage self working in a warehouse up north being harranged by Scousers for supporting a "sh*t club, no Istory".

I assume the scousers were just there to steal from the warehouse?