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Marina Granovskaia leaves Chelsea

thebluekid said:
Praise the lord. Praise the lord indeed. Times changing at Chelsea for the better I hope. Good riddance to her and Buck and the atrocious failings at board level over the years. From the sackings to the transfers. Onward and upwards. This is the best transfer news of the summer; those two, OUT.
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Sackings were ordered by Roman and transfers were agreed by our scouts. But sure, lets blame the woman and the American because they don't belong in the English mans game! We won absolutely everything with those two in their positions too, or do they only take the blame and no praise? As previously mentioned, bore off.

 
HazardousChoice said:
Strange comment given thats exactly the opposite kind of work to what Marina has done. Infact she prefers to see us lose our best players on free transfers because she's too busy mooching on Romans Yacht to negotiate with them.  Rudiger said himself he'd have re-signed if Marina didn't start ghosting him half say through the season for no reason

And she's the type to spend 58m on a bench warmer from a weaker league and pay him 150K a week so we can't actually get rid of him.

She's been embarrassingly bad at her job and is a huge part of why we've fell away from the top table since she took on her responsibilities.

The only positive impact Marina has had is on the Reputation of Emenalo who looks like an absolute genius in comparison.
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You mean Rudiger would have signed if we'd offered him £350k after 1 good season in a back 3?

The scouts wanted Pulisic, not a single person moaned about the transfer fee and wages when he was carrying us under Lamps.

Embarrassingly bad at her job but just this year woln an award for best club director. Who am i more likely to beleive, people in football that awarded her this is some blokes on an online forum? Just be honest, you don't have a clue how the club is ran or what her role is you just blame her because she's a woman and it's easy. 

 
RIP Mourinho said:
You mean Rudiger would have signed if we'd offered him £350k after 1 good season in a back 3?

The scouts wanted Pulisic, not a single person moaned about the transfer fee and wages when he was carrying us under Lamps.

Embarrassingly bad at her job but just this year woln an award for best club director. Who am i more likely to beleive, people in football that awarded her this is some blokes on an online forum? Just be honest, you don't have a clue how the club is ran or what her role is you just blame her because she's a woman and it's easy. 
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What a terrible post, not really a surprise given who it comes from but just shocking on every point.

Rudiger did not want 350K a week last year and would never have gotten it,  he only now has high wage demands because we chose to let one of if not the best CB in the world over the last 18 months contract expire because Marina wouldn't negotiate with him.  It's even worse when you realise she f**ked up the Kounde deal because she missed a simple deadline,  authorised a terribly low option to buy for Tomori meaning we didn't get what we should have for him and let all 4 of our centre backs enter last season with a year left on their contracts.

But hey at least she signed Sarr to a 120K a week deal so we know he's not going anywhere for a long long time 

The scouts didn't choose to pay 58m for a guy who wasn't good enough for Bundesliga with 1 year left on his contract.   From a football perspective it's one of the worst and most insane transfer fees of all time.  I genuinely thought they'd missed a decimal point and every single person on the planet thought it was a terrible fee,  neutrals laughed at it.  Dortmund fans laughed at it and even on this forum people thought we'd massive overpaid.   As usual because Marina isn't very good at negotiating transfers.  

Your last paragraph doesn't deserve a response but I suspect it's projection.  An Incel like yourself wouldn't praise Marina if she wasn't a woman.

She's not gonna love you mate regardless of how much you gas up her terrible business deals.  You wouldn't be able to afford to take her out to dinner anyway when she manages to negotiate her way into paying 5x the menu price.

Thank god Roman has deep pockets.

 
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HazardousChoice said:
What a terrible post, not really a surprise given who it comes from but just shocking on every point.

Rudiger did not want 350K a week last year and would never have gotten it,  he only now has high wage demands because we chose to let one of if not the best CB in the world over the last 18 months contract expire because Marina wouldn't negotiate with him.  It's even worse when you realise she f**ked up the Kounde deal because she missed a simple deadline,  authorised a terribly low option to buy for Tomori meaning we didn't get what we should have for him and let all 4 of our centre backs enter last season with a year left on their contracts.

But hey at least she signed Sarr to a 120K a week deal so we know he's not going anywhere for a long long time 

The scouts didn't choose to pay 58m for a guy who wasn't good enough for Bundesliga with 1 year left on his contract.   From a football perspective it's one of the worst and most insane transfer fees of all time.  I genuinely thought they'd missed a decimal point and every single person on the planet thought it was a terrible fee,  neutrals laughed at it.  Dortmund fans laughed at it and even on this forum people thought we'd massive overpaid.   As usual because Marina isn't very good at negotiating transfers.  

Your last paragraph doesn't deserve a response but I suspect it's projection.  An Incel like yourself wouldn't praise Marina if she wasn't a woman.

She's not gonna love you mate regardless of how much you gas up her terrible business deals.  You wouldn't be able to afford to take her out to dinner anyway when she manages to negotiate her way into paying 5x the menu price.

Thank god Roman has deep pockets.
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It was widely reported we offered him wages over 200k, if we went back to a back 4 you'd be the same person moaning we now had the sh*t Rudiger sat on high wages and unable to get rid of him. Rudiger leaving was more down to the fractures left over from Lamps time here. f**ked up the Kounde deal? what deal? We're in negotiations for him you weapon. Tomori was sold for a good price given his experience, another one that Lamps ostracised and didn't play for almost ayear so wanted out. Or is it Marina's fault Lampard refused to play him? Suppose she should have chose our line ups too. 

You can get players salaries from several different sources and believe whatever you choose, I imagine the rumoured £35k a week is more likely it but pick any number out of thin air to match your agenda: https://salarysport.com/football/player/malang-sarr/

So you moan that we don't spend enough to keep/get players, then you moan when we spend what's needed to actually land our number one transfer targets? This transfer was around the same time Madrid were paying £40m for unheard of 17 year old Brazilian's. So no, people weren't laughing at the transfer at the time like you pretend they were.

My last paragraph doesn't deserve a response because you have no excuse about how she was awarded the award? And i'm an incel because i can actually appreciate a woman doing a good job? Well done for admitting you still act like a Neanderthal.

You're just showing everyone on this forum what a bizarre person you are with those last couple of sentences. You do realise people can compliment other people without wanting to shag them or want something in return?

Clearly you have been rejected by many women over the years and feel the need to project that onto the rest of them to feel some kind of self worth. I hope you get the attention you so clearly crave in the near future and your mental state of mind improves.

Peace. 

 
Sounds about right, Although marina is a classy Russian not much stuff that got done was her choices she simply negotiated fees and sorted the ffp stuff along with a room of folks, So essentially all she really did was oversee and poorly negotiate high wages and fees for many players that were in the end naff!

I read about boehly being super involved with player acquisitions with his involvement in the other club he has shares in and then I proceeded to imagine the Moneyball film situation etc!

I think cech should stay and yes you can pick and choose, Boehly will do what he wants and its also a clever move to include one of legends of the club esp as hes a class act and a smart guy

Also be interested if this has come about because of the lack of movement or that in of itself was a sign or its simply that all the media haven't got a connected source at all and are reporting waffle from internet goons!

Onwards and upwards!

 
I wonder how this will change our transfer negotiations going forward. By all accounts, she was our negotiating specialist. Do deals get done quicker now? Do we sell for slightly lower prices rather than loan players out for years at a time? Do we bleed bidding into the late hours of the window only to panic and buy a Drinkwater again?

 
RIP Mourinho said:
It was widely reported we offered him wages over 200k, if we went back to a back 4 you'd be the same person moaning we now had the sh*t Rudiger sat on high wages and unable to get rid of him. Rudiger leaving was more down to the fractures left over from Lamps time here. f**ked up the Kounde deal? what deal? We're in negotiations for him you weapon. Tomori was sold for a good price given his experience, another one that Lamps ostracised and didn't play for almost ayear so wanted out. Or is it Marina's fault Lampard refused to play him? Suppose she should have chose our line ups too. 

You can get players salaries from several different sources and believe whatever you choose, I imagine the rumoured £35k a week is more likely it but pick any number out of thin air to match your agenda: https://salarysport.com/football/player/malang-sarr/

So you moan that we don't spend enough to keep/get players, then you moan when we spend what's needed to actually land our number one transfer targets? This transfer was around the same time Madrid were paying £40m for unheard of 17 year old Brazilian's. So no, people weren't laughing at the transfer at the time like you pretend they were.

My last paragraph doesn't deserve a response because you have no excuse about how she was awarded the award? And i'm an incel because i can actually appreciate a woman doing a good job? Well done for admitting you still act like a Neanderthal.

You're just showing everyone on this forum what a bizarre person you are with those last couple of sentences. You do realise people can compliment other people without wanting to shag them or want something in return?

Clearly you have been rejected by many women over the years and feel the need to project that onto the rest of them to feel some kind of self worth. I hope you get the attention you so clearly crave in the near future and your mental state of mind improves.

Peace. 
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Have you forgot to take your medication?  What kind of weirdo takes criticism of Marina's business deals which were quite frankly horrible and tries to twist it into some kind of argument that people have an agenda against Women?  No words. 

God bless your doctors.

Maybe ask them to remind you of the Kounde deal that easy to complete last summer as Sevilla set the price they wanted, a deadline and Kounde wanted to come.  Unfortunately Marina wanted to sell Zouma first and missed their deadline and we missed out.  

Madrid spending 40m on talented but unproven teenagers is nowhere near as bad as spending 58m on players that have already proven themselves not to be good enough like Pulisic had after his 4 poor seasons at Dortmund.   Marina's lack of negotiating ability is reflected in the fees we've paid for incoming players and the terrible contracts we've offered over her tenure far more than it is reflected by an irrelevant award.

One she only received out of sympathy and pity.  As stated previously Marina is like the slow kid at the school sports day who all the other parents clap and cheer long after the others have finished the race.   The other Directors probably gave it her out of sympathy given how badly they've all fleeced her for years.

I get Marina is a big part of the life you've imagined but putting aside your unrequited love ignoring her gender and solely focusing on the business deals she's completed for Chelsea.

Her record of failure speaks for itself unfortunately and it's a big part of why we've fallen behind City and Liverpool.  Both of which would never consider hiring Marina.

 
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HazardousChoice said:
Strange comment given thats exactly the opposite kind of work to what Marina has done. Infact she prefers to see us lose our best players on free transfers because she's too busy mooching on Romans Yacht to negotiate with them.  Rudiger said himself he'd have re-signed if Marina didn't start ghosting him half say through the season for no reason

And she's the type to spend 58m on a bench warmer from a weaker league and pay him 150K a week so we can't actually get rid of him.

She's been embarrassingly bad at her job and is a huge part of why we've fell away from the top table since she took on her responsibilities.

The only positive impact Marina has had is on the Reputation of Emenalo who looks like an absolute genius in comparison.
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Why do people speak about the work she's done without knowing what she does? 

She's a club director and transfer/contract negotiator. She is a not a sporting director. She does not identify and personally pick the targets. 

She's been exceptional at her job but ultimately not a huge loss considering her role. 

Rudiger is a tw#t. 

 
venom2011 said:
Why do people speak about the work she's done without knowing what she does? 

She's a club director and transfer/contract negotiator. She is a not a sporting director. She does not identify and personally pick the targets. 

She's been exceptional at her job but ultimately not a huge loss considering her role. 

Rudiger is a tw#t. 
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Why do her stans always pretend people don't know her role when they try to defend her?  It's the go to defence even when it makes no sense regarding anything that has been said.

No one has suggested she picks the players.

The fees we pay for incoming players that she negotiates and the terrible contracts she negotiates are where she earns a lot of her criticism.

Very very rarely do we sign a player where it looks like we haven't drastically overpaid when we announce the deal.  Look at our incomings during her tenure.  In what way has she been exceptional? And how many terrible players do we have on such huge contracts we can't give them away?  She's exceptional for players agents and selling clubs but that isn't good business for Chelsea.

Rudiger is a winner,  well worthy of a role at a top club.  I wouldn't say the same for Marina

 
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venom2011 said:
She's a club director and transfer/contract negotiator. She is a not a sporting director. She does not identify and personally pick the targets. 
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She did make sure the sporting director we did have up until 2017 left the club though. Through a power struggle which she ultimately won.

You can call it whatever you want but she absorbed the sporting director role into hers since 2017. And we've all seen what that have led to in the transfer market. Now, maybe it was Roman who made that decision or maybe it was Marina (they clearly work closely together) but it was one sh*te decision either way to not get a replacement for Emenalo.

She's been in charge of running the club for a long period of time right now. What has she done that's that great?

Do we have a good wage structure? No it's shambles.
Do we have a good transfer structure? No it's shambles.
Do we have a good scouting structure? See above
Have we done great commercially during her reign? No we have fallen behind our competitors here too.
Have we competed for Premier League titles since 2017? Not even close once.

What excactly has she done that's great?

 
I think its telling the two main spearheads in Marina and Buck are leaving now vs when they were scheduled to leave (End of August?). Clearly those two run the biggest operations in the club so it will be interesting to see how effectively or ineffectively we operate moving forward. 

 
RIP Mourinho said:
Just confirmed he's leaving, you got your wish!
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Buck isn’t technically leaving the club though, he’s staying as a senior advisor. 

 
That is a fair point.

Also apparently Todd phoned his mate Bill to pass on a message to Big Pete:

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HazardousChoice said:
Why do her stans always pretend people don't know her role when they try to defend her?  It's the go to defence even when it makes no sense regarding anything that has been said.

No one has suggested she picks the players.

The fees we pay for incoming players that she negotiates and the terrible contracts she negotiates are where she earns a lot of her criticism.

Very very rarely do we sign a player where it looks like we haven't drastically overpaid when we announce the deal.  Look at our incomings during her tenure.  In what way has she been exceptional? And how many terrible players do we have on such huge contracts we can't give them away?  She's exceptional for players agents and selling clubs but that isn't good business for Chelsea.

Rudiger is a winner,  well worthy of a role at a top club.  I wouldn't say the same for Marina
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Normally wouldn’t engage you because I think you are enjoying this, but need to clarify the contracts issues. It is very rare to find football players moving for less money unless they force the move themselves (i.e. want out). A few recent examples; Thiago was on €130k/w at Bayern, he is on £200k/w at Liverpool, Sancho €100k/w at Dortmund, he is on £350k/w at Utd, Grealish £140k/w at Villa, he is on £300k/w at City, Zouma £40k/w at Chelsea, he is on £120k/w at West Ham.

 
ducavis said:
Normally wouldn’t engage you because I think you are enjoying this, but need to clarify the contracts issues. It is very rare to find football players moving for less money unless they force the move themselves (i.e. want out). A few recent examples; Thiago was on €130k/w at Bayern, he is on £200k/w at Liverpool, Sancho €100k/w at Dortmund, he is on £350k/w at Utd, Grealish £140k/w at Villa, he is on £300k/w at City, Zouma £40k/w at Chelsea, he is on £120k/w at West Ham.
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Another post of no value.  I'm not sure what your point is?

Generally players command higher wages when they move to a big club because they're moving on the back of good performances and they can they command a higher fee.  All the players you had listed had done that aside from Zouma who while good for us really needed the pay rise to be encourage him to move to West Ham who likely weren't the most appealing option for him

Some of our players like Havertz and Werner are in that category even though we pay them a huge amount for what they've shown. They had leverage prior to us signing them.

But that's very different to signing people like Pulisic, Kepa, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, RLC etc to big money contracts.  These players sucked at their previous clubs or had no leverage and were incredibly lucky to be considered by us, no other top club would ever have looked at them and they know that.

Why are we then offering them huge salaries?  Liverpool sign quality players like Diaz and pay them less than 60K a week because the players are desperate for the opportunity to play at the top level.

How does Marina manage to pay someone like Kepa 170K a week when he was average at Bilbao, no other club wanted him and he was on £35K a week there?

There's absolutely no way he'd have turned down 70K and the opportunity to play at a level he'd never get the chance to play at again.

Why is master negotiater Marina consistantly offering such ridiculous wages particularly to players that have no leverage or other options to earn half the amount we offer them?

It's the hallmark of her Tenure.

 
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RIP Mourinho said:
Sackings were ordered by Roman and transfers were agreed by our scouts. But sure, lets blame the woman and the American because they don't belong in the English mans game! We won absolutely everything with those two in their positions too, or do they only take the blame and no praise? As previously mentioned, bore off.
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Look at the long list of transfers where we have completely overpaid. And then look at the huge contracts they were all given, which has made it impossible to sell any of the dross.  We are about $150m down on transfer fees alone since 2017 ... difference between what players were signed for, and what we received when they left. And that will only get worse when Bakayoko and Batshuayi finally depart, let alone the huge hit we will incur from the more recent signings. City in the same period are about £30m up. 

This is not some sort of sexist agenda - it is a question of basic competence ... and in this case the lack of it.

I imagine Boehly has taken one cold look at what he has inherited and made the every obvious decision that changes are needed. 

 
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