Matic

[Blue Exile]

He's got all the attributes Jose like, I believe he will be a major player if we sell him to United. Like I said, Chelsea should not be helping rival clubs, transfer fee is almost irrelevant.

Jose will use him like he did here I presume? You realise he was poor for Jose for just as long, if not longer than he was great for him? 

You could argue that he had better players around him in his time here then he'll have if/when he moves to United too.

 

[Chelsbear]

Winning the league with average squad players is not unheard of, not a first teamed. Specially to the extent some fans would have you believe that Matic is.

but I can feel that Matic is the new scapegoat around here so it's not worth arguing. 

United won titles with Fletcher playing almost every week. 

City won it with Hart in goals. 

Leicester won it with a few average players.

So yes it does happen, Matic had a great first 10 or so months when he came back but after that his game dropped significantly and his one footed approach was noted which teams exploit game after game.

i wouldn't sell to United on the basis you should never do business with a rival club but as a player he wouldn't worry me as he's a very limited footballer.

 

[didierforever]

United won titles with Fletcher playing almost every week. 

City won it with Hart in goals. 

Leicester won it with a few average players.

So yes it does happen, Matic had a great first 10 or so months when he came back but after that his game dropped significantly and his one footed approach was noted which teams exploit game after game.

i wouldn't sell to United on the basis you should never do business with a rival club but as a player he wouldn't worry me as he's a very limited footballer.

Fletcher in his prime (before his serious issues) was not an "average player". Not for me. Same with hart. He is a good shot stopper but can have moments of madness. But again, hard to call him average.

leicester is the exception which happens once in a lifetime.

i feel united will get exactly what they want. Someone who can sit in front of the back 4 and give herrera and pogba the freedom to call the shots. A definite no-no for me

 

[DonAntonio]

Diegos first touch is one of his best attributes? I think I've heard it all now.

I think people confuse playing  first time pass and a first touch, he isn't a 5'7 twinkle toe flair player he is a 6'2 CF have you seen the number of times he brings the ball down then volleys the ball or goes past a defender that's a first touch, bringing down the ball is a first touch, I didn't say tica taca I said first touch, can you play off him first time, no, but that's not the only type of firstvyouch, it's ball control and his is very good and fits with the type of striker he is. If you watch the commentary on his city goal I think they said what a sublime touch about 6 times, he does that sort of touch regularly, did it against Arsenal in the cup also and that my friend is a "first touch" 

 

[DonAntonio]

A lone video to prove diego's good first touch. Hahahha. Here is a comparison of Diego vs lukaku's attributes (the latter apparently being no good and yet Diego being no better). 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/2/27/14746272/et-tu-lulu

That's why you always argue so vigorously but always get it wrong, you learn everything you know about football online, you treat it like a homework assignment, if you watched a game live you would have to listen to the commentary of google what was going on, playing off someone first time he isn't good, taking a touch to go round a player first time with his feet he fails quite frequently, getting the call under control from a long pass, a hard pass he is excellent, that's called ball control and that's a first touch, I bet if you looked him up on your Fifa game he will have good first touch stats   people who actually watch football already know he has a sublime first touch at times, granted usually off his chest or body,  but again that's his first touch and your squaka dribbled past stats won't show you that. It's easy does he bring down the ball well or not? Getting the ball under control is your first touch and you can smash it at him in the box he will get it under control and get a shot off, that's because he has good "first touch" 

 

[didierforever]

Lol. Another essay how apparently people who watch is live have more insights.

has got to be the weakest and dumbest argument I have heard. Not even worth trying to reason. 

But sure, costa's first touch is his biggest asset.

 

[CFCholland]

Well maybe it's not his first touch, but his ball control that is bad then. Maybe he does control it with his first touch but then he loses it with his second.
In my opinion he's a good finisher but a bad footballer, and that includes his first touch and all round ball control.

 

[wallosh]

He's got all the attributes Jose like, I believe he will be a major player if we sell him to United. Like I said, Chelsea should not be helping rival clubs, transfer fee is almost irrelevant.

I don't think we will strengthen them by selling Matic to them because they are desperate to sign a midfielder that can defend. And the 3 they are mostly linked to are Matic, Naingollan and Fabinho. Everyone except José knows the latter 2 are much better and composed on the ball than Matic. Personally I dread to see Naingollan in United's midfield paired with Pogba and Herrera.

 

[DonAntonio]

Lol. Another essay how apparently people who watch is live have more insights.

has got to be the weakest and dumbest argument I have heard. Not even worth trying to reason. 

But sure, costa's first touch is his biggest asset.

Here you go in a format you can understand, FIFA 17 

 

[DonAntonio]

Well maybe it's not his first touch, but his ball control that is bad then. Maybe he does control it with his first touch but then he loses it with his second.
In my opinion he's a good finisher but a bad footballer, and that includes his first touch and all round ball control.

Oh no, a bad footballer, f**k me...have you heard how many times pundits have called him a complete striker, here is a hint non of that is as good as what he does off the ball, it's his runs and his intelligence that make him a great striker, there is nothing he can't do except dribble round 5 defenders and play tica taca, I'm not trying to offend you so apologies if it comes off wrong but this isn't FIFA, a tica taca dribble master isn't the type of striker Chelsea needs if we wanted that we would just play hazard up top, Costa is the perfect striker for Chelsea hence 2 titles in 3 years, he is a very very good footballer I still can't believe you said that, anyway being that this is a matic thread I'll leave it there but he is  very good footballer and had a very good first touch within the tonext of being a 6'2 aggressive striker and him taking on his chest like that is ball control it's not just doing elasticos, he beats his man with his first touch and with strength, that's his football style to judge him against a player like hazard isn't fair it's apples and oranges 

 

[CFCholland]

He is when he tries to be. But he only tries for half a season. The last half he didn't even bother making runs, when he doesn't do that there's almost nothing left. It's his own fault too, he constantly tried to dribble past players, or he picks the ball up from deep and loses it.

I don't think anyone will disagree with you that he is one of the best strikers in the league when he is on form, but when he's not there's nothing he can fall back on, and he becomes more of a hinderence than anything else.

 

[Blue Exile]

It's morphed into the Costa thread....

 

[didierforever]

Here you go in a format you can understand, FIFA 17 

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Yawn!!! 

But but but costa has a great first touch!!

btw, have you seen Matic's Fifa rating? 

 

[DonAntonio]

He is when he tries to be. But he only tries for half a season. The last half he didn't even bother making runs, when he doesn't do that there's almost nothing left. It's his own fault too, he constantly tried to dribble past players, or he picks the ball up from deep and loses it.

I don't think anyone will disagree with you that he is one of the best strikers in the league when he is on form, but when he's not there's nothing he can fall back on, and he becomes more of a hinderence than anything else.

That's why I told out friend from India watching live is different he is always running off the ball off the camera, making room for players like hazardhe always makes his runs, season before last season he was out wide a lot for whatever reason and he had a sh*t season but so did all the team.

 Same way the whole team dips second halfback of the season, part of it is a fatigue, we had zero rotation, even with no Europe it's hard, winning the league takes more effort than mid table, we were under pressure busting our arses every week.

 Costa had 5 or 6 poor games in a row this half season is something someone said once and became commonplace, wasn't the case at all, if he played half a season then he is a 40 goal striker is he plays that good alll season?

Matic on the other hand just f**ks off indefinitely, he can be phenomenal on his day and then just turns into a passive shell of his best, that's 65 percent of the time, of matic could play at his best even half a season I'd fight for him tooth and nail.

 Costa doesn't do that, he always tries, he always fights, if it wasn't for the friction with management we wouldn't dream of replacing him, he is a brilliant striker, he won us 15 points by himself last season, 15 points...

He will get you a goal out of nothing and I'll tell you if his linkup play and dribbling that you have criticised was top class as well he would probably be the best striker in the world or there about, because he rest of his game is top notch, those are the only 2 weaknesses to his game but like I said it's not in his mound as a player.

You have to know what to look for in a striker, our Indian friend who calls him a "c**t" doesn't like him because he can't run fast enough and pirouette past a defence of Fifa ultimate team, but listen to how shearer speaks about him, nothing but praise because as a top striker he understands all the things Costa does that you can't do on FIFA, he called him the pl player of the season, honestly we could go 10 years without a striker as good as Costa, people don't realise that. 

 

[didierforever]

Have you heard how shearer and Neville talks about Matic??? Lol. The arguments become weaker and weaker.

our English friend seems to be losing the plot

 

[DonAntonio]

Yawn!!! 

But but but costa has a great first touch!!

btw, have you seen Matic's Fifa rating? 

What do you mean but but but, he does have a great first touch and I demonstrated why, other people get that you don't, I think you think that first touch doesn't come under ball control, that's because you've never player football or watched a football game except online, here is an online tutorial about ball control/first touch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/skills/4189380.stm

 Also the FIFA thing was to play on your field don't try and turn it round on me pal, I watch football I don't learn what I know about the game online from the other side of the planet, but even they realsise his ball control is one of his best attributes that's why it was ironic...

 

[didierforever]

What do you mean but but but, he does have a great first touch and I demonstrated why, other people get that you don't, I think you think that first touch doesn't come under ball control, that's because you've never player football or watched a football game except online, here is an online tutorial about ball control/first touch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/skills/4189380.stm

 Also the FIFA thing was to play on your field don't try and turn it round on me pal, I watch football I don't learn what I know about the game online from the other side of the planet, but even they realsise his ball control is one of his best attributes that's why it was ironic...

And give me a scientific research showing that watching games live gives you more understanding than watching one on the tv? Lol.

i gave you Stats and facts comparing lukaku's first touch and ball control and dispossession from a complete 3rd party. And people who apparently watch the game live and all that jazz. They seem to differ massively.

so now I have not played football? Lol. You seem to have a lot of information about me? Stalking me? It's actually sad that whenever you can't provide actual factual arguments you resort to abusing/making ott comments or bringing in insanely stupid and hopelessly childish arguments like nationality. 

For someone who apparently has such an immense knowledge of football, I mostly see you belittling anyone that disagrees/challenges your opinion rather than provide an actual argument. Real strange. Anyways not worth the time and effort. Time to put on ignore.

 

[DonAntonio]

And give me a scientific research showing that watching games live gives you more understanding than watching one on the tv? Lol.

And there it is you just told anyone who knows anything about football that you know f**k all about football ask someone else to tell you why.

I won't descend into bickering and name calling, but what winds me up about you is this arrogant air of expertise and unwillingness to learn, when you've never kicked a ball or watched a live game.

 You think you can read online and tell everyone how it is, so that's the reason not because of your nationality or anything else, but because you are faking it and acting like you know it all.

So you just ask someone why watching live is more important, much more...because you put yourself in it with that one I'm afraid, why do you think scouts don't just watch videos, I'll give you a hint, the camera only covers the players around the ball, a pitch is at least 6000 square metres....if you're not the real deal pal sooner or later it will become apparent, no one said you have to watch every game live or be from within 2 miles often bridge, not at all, but a bit of humility and willingness to learn would serve you well. 

 

[didierforever]

And there it is you just told anyone who knows anything about football that you know f**k all about football ask someone else to tell you why.

I won't descend into bickering and name calling, but what winds me up about you is this arrogant air of expertise and unwillingness to learn, when you've never kicked a ball or watched a live game.

 You think you can read online and tell everyone how it is, so that's the reason not because of your nationality or anything else, but because you are faking it and acting like you know it all.

So you just ask someone why watching live is more important, much more...because you put yourself in it with that one I'm afraid, why do you think scouts don't just watch videos, I'll give you a hint, the camera only covers the players around the ball, a pitch is at least 6000 square metres....if you're not the real deal pal sooner or later it will become apparent, no one said you have to watch every game live or be from within 2 miles often bridge, not at all, but a bit of humility and willingness to learn would serve you well. 

Unfortunately this one came just before I could put you on ignore so I will take the bait.

a district level footballer. Not much, but I can bet I have played more football than you. As for watching matches live. Had a 6 month long internship in Spain just last year. Saw enough rm/atm games. So there you go. Just shows how much you ACTUALLY know.

anyways, like I said in my previous post, this is just another condescending post from someone whose biggest call to fame/knowledge is watching a football match live. 

So buddy, give it a rest. And before you call my tone arrogant, have a look at how and especially what you say. Hopefully I don't get any more notifications from you. 

Also, funny how you conviniently ignored the rest of my post

 

[DonAntonio]

Also, funny how you conviniently ignored the rest of my post

Funny how you conveniently ignored your question "what can't you learn from watching a game on TV than from live"...... that was a bad one mate for a football expert of your level, in addition to not knowing what a first touch and ball control is...anyway pal, have a good one