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Interesting to think how Matic would have progressed if we had kept him. Would he be getting game time or at loan at some championship club?

 
Sparkz said:
Were signing a top class player in a position that were short in and people still find something to moan about!
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Buying back a player for a big fee after selling him for a pittance two years ago. Sorry but the club is going to get some stick for this one!

 
We are going to get stick from the cluless... by the way we also sacked the best manager in the world went through various options only to get him back some 7 years on, now that was a mistake.

It's actually great sense from the club to deal with what is in front of them and not get blinded by the fact that he used to play for us and it looks like a loss etc etc... its a sunk cost that's all, Forget about it.

The mandate is to improve were we are week we all know that's in two positions, centre mid and up front. So who's the best value for money right now in terms of the quality we need and meeting our objectives. It would be stupid and Naive to take the past in to consideration. So as I said that the beginning those who think it's dumb based on the fact we are paying out more then we sold him for should never be aloud to run a lemon juice stand let alone think about the decisions being made at a football club.

Something else worth mentioning and I'm not 100% sure about this, I think at the time we had some problems with Matic's permit. He hand't played enough games for us to have it renewed and at the time he didn't have enough caps for serbia. I think we had to send him on loan and with his contract running down it wasn't looking like we would get the permit approved. So it wasn't entirly illogical to P/E him even if we knew then what we know now... and by the way, people forget Luiz is a supperb player and now we have both

 
Englishman said:
Buying back a player for a big fee after selling him for a pittance two years ago. Sorry but the club is going to get some stick for this one!
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Players are hard to gauge the potential of. 

A costly mistake, but it would be even worse to see him flourish into a world class midfielder, knowing we sold him for hardly anything. 

If we did include a buy back clause, I think it was quite smart. People are also forgetting we got David Luiz for him. A Fifpro team of the year contender and a player who has grown so much at Chelsea.

 
Don't think he would have progressed as much if he had stayed with us, too much pressure to win trophies. Reminds me of a young Ballack and as for the price, Utd fans will give an arm to buy back Pogba.

Personally don't see any of our youngsters making the step up to the first team in the next few years even with the Vitesse tie-up, but won't be the worst idea sending some of our top prospects to Benfica as part of the Matic deal to polish them up.

 
Englishman said:
Buying back a player for a big fee after selling him for a pittance two years ago. Sorry but the club is going to get some stick for this one!
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He probably wouldn't have developed into the player he is now here so if we still had him he'd probably be out on loan to some lower league/ championship club.

 
Yep we look a bit silly for the matic affair, I didn't understand why we let him go int he first place, you could see he wasa. Real presence in just the appearances he made for us...

but we have counted that by getting a ridiculous fee for de bruyne, who has done very little In his career so far...who knows, he may become a great, he may just be average, but right now, Wolfsburg are effectively providing the money to help solve a real problem position...let's not look back, let's just look forward to the future and having a proper defensive midfielder at last.

 
ForeverCarefree said:
Damned if you do, damned if you don't at Chelsea Football Club.

Criticism is like water off a duck's back to us now days.
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I cannot see why this is getting criticism at all personally. We've sold a player in a position where we're oversubscribed and replaced him with a player where we are undersubscribed. The overall squad is improved at very little cost.

To me this is an excellent piece of business.

 
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Most people see him as dmc or mc .

He is natural on these positions , but , back then  when he played for serbia u21 nt , he had a role of left wing , and was very piercing.

 
Huttsey said:
I cannot see why this is getting criticism at all personally.

We've sold a player in a position where we're oversubscribed and replaced him with a player where we are undersubscribed. The overall squad is improved at very little cost.

To me this is an excellent piece of business.
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Because we sold Matic three years ago, that's the long and short of it really, rival fans and media want to twist this around and make it look as though CFC are incompetent for having let Matic leave in the first place when the reality is Matic leaving in part exchange for Luiz was barely a foot note when it happened and no one could have predicted that he would then rapid progress and improve whilst playing in Portugal. 

He's rated as one of the better players in Europe in his position and yet we are apparently going to sign him for significantly less than his buy out clause (£37m) and easily a lot less than the going rate for players in his position (see Fellaini, Fabragas, Martinez).

We've financed the majority of the deal with a player that is 6th choice for us and are reinforcing the one area we are screaming out for reinforcements. 

Regardless of all this many media outlets are still going to twist the narrative and play the old "Chelsea buying success" story that we've seen re-hashed a thousand times a season for the last decade. 

What makes me laugh is that only this morning Manchester United are being linked with re-signing Paul Pogba, if that deal went though you can bet there would be no where near the level of criticism levelled at them as to what Chelsea are getting for Matic and the chances are Pogba would cost a further £10m on top of what we're paying for Matic without United supplementing the signing with any player sales. 

It's laughable as always but that's life as a Chelsea fan I guess. 

 
Can someone who has watched him at least semi-regularly give a report on what to expect from him?

 
Well at least we have a big figure in our midfield once again, really looking forward to having the big guy in the team, and he seems to wish to be here aswell.

 
Pondering about the Matic deal is futile in my opinion, as we'll never know if he would have developed in the same way if we had kept him on our books, but sent him out on loan instead. Would he have got the chance on loan to play regularly at a club like Benfica?... Somehow I doubt it, & for whatever reason, it worked out for him there & It wouldn't necessarily work out for him just as well at another top club - that's life.

I actually think we are lucky. The planets have aligned and we are lucky to have a very, very good young player coming back to give us the attributes in midfield that we so desperately lack, and we are lucky to still be his No1 choice considering we let him go so easily.

Imagine he went to United... Arsenal... City or Liverpool and turned into a force for them? That would be a million times worse, & at least the KDB money will offset most of the outlay.

People will soon forget the details once he starts putting in the performances.

 
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From the little I've seen of him and from what I've read from people who watched him more, I have a feeling he's more of a Ballack type of a player: tall, strong, aggressive in the tackle and yet elegant on the ball and a good passer. We lack muscle in the center of the pitch, and need to address that, so hopefully getting Matic back is the right step in that direction. I'm getting a bit tired of the likes of City bullying our midfield.

 
I'm putting money on him to score in the first match he plays.

I don't know if he's any good or not, but I have a feeling. I'll donate half my winnings to this site if it comes in!

 
Elliott said:
Imagine he went to United... Arsenal... City or Liverpool and turned into a force for them? That would be a million times worse, & at least the KDB money will offset most of the outlay.
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You realize thats why theyre all (especially utd fans) bitching and whining? Youll notice theyre all saying 'why are they signing him? they look like idiots now' instead of 'i hope they sign him so they look like idiots'

They all know we are already strong and now becoming stronger

 
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If he ends up improving us - which is very likely; I'm not sure how we would look like idiots. The idiots would be the likes of United who forked 27 million for Fellani who is unable to get into their squad ahead of Cleverly; Giggs or freshly recovered from injury Fletcher.

Matic is not comparable to the player we let go of, he would have been hard pressed to actually get enough playing time at our club in order for him develop. 

We are not known to produce any first team regulars directly from our Academy and very few of the young players we sign for small fees are capable of even getting a match for us. So it's not surprising that someone who went through our squad actually ended up improving sufficiently for us to actually sign him back. I'm sure there have been over 50-100 youth players signed for small fees over the course of the last decade. Only a few of those players so far actually look good enough to be regulars in our side at the moment and we've gone ahead and signed one back in a position which we haven't really been able to address(MVG's injuries was unfortunate for him and the club).

I'm sure when we have a sustainable period of stability under one manager - he would have long term goals for our Academy and we would see far more players making it. But since Roman took over we've been focused on the present and winning trophies. Winning Trophies and Developing youth are obviously not incompatible - but it requires stability in order for this process to be obtained.  

 
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