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UK government are in talks with Abu Dhabi over Manchester City and their alleged 115 rule breaches.

Back in February, the Premier League directed charges against Pep Guardiola's side which relate to a series of alleged breaches of financial rules between the 2009/2010 and 2017/2018 seasons.




Reported in the Times 



 
The UK government have admitted the charges handed to Manchester City by the Premier League have been discussed at their embassy in Abu Dhabi and the Foreign Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) in London, according to a report from the Athletic this week

 
If I were to guess, with us self reporting and the indiscretions being under a previous regime (that was unlawfully forced into selling the club in the first place) It’ll be a X figure fine and a suspended points deduction.
Minor point, but the forced sale of the club was not unlawful, in fact laws were specifically created to force the sale of Russian-linked assets. Abramovich complied with the law instead of fighting it (as was his right) and leaving the club in operational limbo.

 

What if the action isn't founded tort?

Not that I know what a tort is .
It's legalese for doing something to wrong someone else that causes damage to them. Legal disputes between two parties are often about determining who is liable for the tort, to what extent they are liable, and what redress or amount of damages is required to pay as compensation. 

In this case it is a bit more complex. Sporting bodies like the PL enforce rules through contract - to participate in the PL, you need to agree to the terms and conditions thereby creating a contract. Each body has a set dispute resolution process and generally also require their members to be bound by the decisions/outcome of that process. Breach of contract is automatically a 'tort', but it might be, and if the PL considers it to be so, it needs to follow the English courts.

 
Minor point, but the forced sale of the club was not unlawful, in fact laws were specifically created to force the sale of Russian-linked assets. Abramovich complied with the law instead of fighting it (as was his right) and leaving the club in operational limbo.

 

It's legalese for doing something to wrong someone else that causes damage to them. Legal disputes between two parties are often about determining who is liable for the tort, to what extent they are liable, and what redress or amount of damages is required to pay as compensation. 

In this case it is a bit more complex. Sporting bodies like the PL enforce rules through contract - to participate in the PL, you need to agree to the terms and conditions thereby creating a contract. Each body has a set dispute resolution process and generally also require their members to be bound by the decisions/outcome of that process. Breach of contract is automatically a 'tort', but it might be, and if the PL considers it to be so, it needs to follow the English courts.
Great explanation.

Where PL / FA process differs significantly from UEFAs is that once the procedure has been followed there isn’t access to appeal any  decision via the court system or indeed any other body such as CAS. Note I say decision because if there is a claim that the case hasn’t been dealt in accordance with English Law there is a route to take the matter to the High Court . This for me could easily revolve around rules of evidence particularly if that evidence is circumstantial or third party accusations or statements that cant be uncorroborated.

One thing I would advise everyone not to do is get sucked in by journalists or indeed posters who keep on about the inevitable nuclear outcome of  ours or indeed Cities cases.
 

Go back to Masters comments re ours 

“Obviously what we're talking about is something historic; it's complicated where we have the club talking to us about things that happened under previous ownership. All I can say is that the investigation and discussions are reaching a conclusion, but until that happens, I can't say what's going to happen next."
 

“ Say what happens next “ of course that’s non committal but go back to my OP where I talk about the 3 ways in which this matter can proceed.
 

 Bear in mind what  we  do know and then  ask does it sound as if the football bodies will be able to  actually prove fraud or concealment ? That will be an underlying concern for the investigations the evidence to support any IC hearing will have to be cogent and if the investigation don’t have full access to records I think this will be a major hurdle to overcome if time limitations aren’t to be  applied .Again many will think its obvious it’s provable but it’s no where near a given.
 

That said we haven’t a clue what the extent of the information the new owners have provided other than it was the same as submitted to UEFA who to be fair concluded their case  pretty quickly. I find it inconceivable that matters found during discovery weren’t the subject of discussions between the new owners and UEFA, The PL and The FA prior to the takeover. Those discussions would for me talk about how to deal with this issues and I find it difficult to believe that the retention of £100+ million to settle any issues from RAs time of ownership that were uncovered is a coincidence.
 

Of course history tells us that the football authorities can and have been draconian when it comes to handing down punishment but that in the main has been the FA. Clubs like Luton and Swindon in particular were hammered . It shouldn’t be dismissed that there is still a possibility that the FA deal with outer case just like they did when Brighton a couple of seasons ago when they reported themselves over incorrect transfer dealings. Incidentally they received a fine.

Perhaps I am being overly optimistic but for me many of the issues disclosed in the data leak ( if they are indeed the same matters reported ) can’t be judged just on face value others would require third parties to be challenged and again if the audit trail isn’t clear then you have to go back to the fact that it is for the authorities to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt not for the new owners to answer any accusations.

Finally I am 100% confident that there will be an appetite within the governing bodies to get our case out the way before the Cities case is put before an IC so again if I were a betting man I expect a resolution in a matter of weeks

 
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Minor point, but the forced sale of the club was not unlawful, in fact laws were specifically created to force the sale of Russian-linked assets. Abramovich complied with the law instead of fighting it (as was his right) and leaving the club in operational limbo.

 

It's legalese for doing something to wrong someone else that causes damage to them. Legal disputes between two parties are often about determining who is liable for the tort, to what extent they are liable, and what redress or amount of damages is required to pay as compensation. 

In this case it is a bit more complex. Sporting bodies like the PL enforce rules through contract - to participate in the PL, you need to agree to the terms and conditions thereby creating a contract. Each body has a set dispute resolution process and generally also require their members to be bound by the decisions/outcome of that process. Breach of contract is automatically a 'tort', but it might be, and if the PL considers it to be so, it needs to follow the English courts.
Basically T`s & C`s.

I read a thing about Disney using their T`s & C`s to stop a family suing them after a partent died at disneyland, she was allergic to nuts and ate something that wasnt labelled. But disney said she had signed up to Disney+ tv, and the T`s & C`s say any dispute with them needs t go through their own arbitration....Absolutely gobsmacking that they did this.

 
UK government are in talks with Abu Dhabi over Manchester City and their alleged 115 rule breaches.

Back in February, the Premier League directed charges against Pep Guardiola's side which relate to a series of alleged breaches of financial rules between the 2009/2010 and 2017/2018 seasons.




Reported in the Times 


The UK government have admitted the charges handed to Manchester City by the Premier League have been discussed at their embassy in Abu Dhabi and the Foreign Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) in London, according to a report from the Athletic this week
I can imagine if some of the leaked info involved emails or private comms between owners and members of the board which include ppl with titles like His Royal Highness or His Royal Excellency then the FCO (what it was called when I was there and it mattered) and GOV. would definitely have to be involved.

Private comms of Members of the Royal Families (UK, UAE, Etc...) are an extremely sensitive matter when it comes to what can or can't be reported by the press.

I wouldn't be surprised if certain emails or bits of info is removed, especially in rgds to a country that is an ally and "partner", also tbh puts a fk load into the UK economy. Tourism alone brings in around 8bil into the UK every summer (last time I checked). That's just tourism, so you can imagine everything else...so yeah I'm not surprised they got in touch tbh and maybe it may be more than that depending what's in the comms.

Great explanation.

Where PL / FA process differs significantly from UEFAs is that once the procedure has been followed there isn’t access to appeal any  decision via the court system or indeed any other body such as CAS. Note I say decision because if there is a claim that the case hasn’t been dealt in accordance with English Law there is a route to take the matter to the High Court . This for me could easily revolve around rules of evidence particularly if that evidence is circumstantial or third party accusations or statements that cant be uncorroborated.

One thing I would advise everyone not to do is get sucked in by journalists or indeed posters who keep on about the inevitable nuclear outcome of  ours or indeed Cities cases.
 

Go back to Masters comments re ours 

“Obviously what we're talking about is something historic; it's complicated where we have the club talking to us about things that happened under previous ownership. All I can say is that the investigation and discussions are reaching a conclusion, but until that happens, I can't say what's going to happen next."
 

“ Say what happens next “ of course that’s non committal but go back to my OP where I talk about the 3 ways in which this matter can proceed.
 

 Bear in mind what  we  do know and then  ask does it sound as if the football bodies will be able to  actually prove fraud or concealment ? That will be an underlying concern for the investigations the evidence to support any IC hearing will have to be cogent and if the investigation don’t have full access to records I think this will be a major hurdle to overcome if time limitations aren’t to be  applied .Again many will think its obvious it’s provable but it’s no where near a given.
 

That said we haven’t a clue what the extent of the information the new owners have provided other than it was the same as submitted to UEFA who to be fair concluded their case  pretty quickly. I find it inconceivable that matters found during discovery weren’t the subject of discussions between the new owners and UEFA, The PL and The FA prior to the takeover. Those discussions would for me talk about how to deal with this issues and I find it difficult to believe that the retention of £100+ million to settle any issues from RAs time of ownership that were uncovered is a coincidence.
 

Of course history tells us that the football authorities can and have been draconian when it comes to handing down punishment but that in the main has been the FA. Clubs like Luton and Swindon in particular were hammered . It shouldn’t be dismissed that there is still a possibility that the FA deal with outer case just like they did when Brighton a couple of seasons ago when they reported themselves over incorrect transfer dealings. Incidentally they received a fine.

Perhaps I am being overly optimistic but for me many of the issues disclosed in the data leak ( if they are indeed the same matters reported ) can’t be judged just on face value others would require third parties to be challenged and again if the audit trail isn’t clear then you have to go back to the fact that it is for the authorities to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt not for the new owners to answer any accusations.

Finally I am 100% confident that there will be an appetite within the governing bodies to get our case out the way before the Cities case is put before an IC so again if I were a betting man I expect a resolution in a matter of weeks
Exactly...I don't see Roman, marina or even Czech filling in the blanks for them in statements or interviews. Lol

They have all the info they will ever get...is it enough? That's the real question of all this hoo-ha.

If info is incomplete or there's lots of question marks they can't assume guilt/wrongdoing/etc...

 
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I can imagine if some of the leaked info involved emails or private comms between owners and members of the board which include ppl with titles like His Royal Highness or His Royal Excellency then the FCO (what it was called when I was there and it mattered) and GOV. would definitely have to be involved.

Private comms of Members of the Royal Families (UK, UAE, Etc...) are an extremely sensitive matter when it comes to what can or can't be reported by the press.

I wouldn't be surprised if certain emails or bits of info is removed, especially in rgds to a country that is an ally and "partner", also tbh puts a fk load into the UK economy. Tourism alone brings in around 8bil into the UK every summer (last time I checked). That's just tourism, so you can imagine everything else...so yeah I'm not surprised they got in touch tbh and maybe it may be more than that depending what's in the comms.

Exactly...I don't see Roman, marina or even Czech filling in the blanks for them in statements or interviews. Lol

They have all the info they will ever get...is it enough? That's the real question of all this hoo-ha.

If info is incomplete or there's lots of question marks they can't assume guilt/wrongdoing/etc...
Well we know the Government held a meeting with the EPL that refusing the sale of Newcastle to the Saudi's could harm the relationship between us.

The lucrative arms trade was on their minds no doubt.

No doubt any punishment would have to be designed with that in mind ?

 
Well we know the Government held a meeting with the EPL that refusing the sale of Newcastle to the Saudi's could harm the relationship between us.

The lucrative arms trade was on their minds no doubt.

No doubt any punishment would have to be designed with that in mind ?
Yep, same as Saudi...Gov won't jeopardise any diplomatic relations with the UAE.

Tbh, I've met the owner (Shk. Mansour) many times, he's actually a really decent bloke. It really does depend what's in the comms/emails tbh.

Edit: it's no just arms too...lots of reasons to have friends/allies in the Middle East, especially the Gulf.

 
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So Blue Co is selling the hotels to Blue Co? I bet they get a sweet deal for them.  :wink:

 
We got away with it because they paid market value. Gives is an option to get £1m for  Mudryk.

 
What that story tells me is that what’s on their mind is the 2.3B or whatever locked in limbo from the sale:

PL: ”Excuse us your honor, we know you have this whole dispute over whether the funds can go to organizations outside Ukraine, what type of charities and entities it can go to, etc….. but you see, Chelsea may have broken a rule … a decade ago… so we feel we should have a nice big slice of it. It will go to teams that are in distress”

Bank Exec: “The only team listed here is Man United”

PL: “Well, like with the Covid money, we feel it’s more efficient that way…”

 
What that story tells me is that what’s on their mind is the 2.3B or whatever locked in limbo from the sale:

PL: ”Excuse us your honor, we know you have this whole dispute over whether the funds can go to organizations outside Ukraine, what type of charities and entities it can go to, etc….. but you see, Chelsea may have broken a rule … a decade ago… so we feel we should have a nice big slice of it. It will go to teams that are in distress”

Bank Exec: “The only team listed here is Man United”

PL: “Well, like with the Covid money, we feel it’s more efficient that way…”
It would be so blatant if they took that money to build man utd a stadium but weirdly I wouldn't be surprised.

Hahahaha

 
What that story tells me is that what’s on their mind is the 2.3B or whatever locked in limbo from the sale:

PL: ”Excuse us your honor, we know you have this whole dispute over whether the funds can go to organizations outside Ukraine, what type of charities and entities it can go to, etc….. but you see, Chelsea may have broken a rule … a decade ago… so we feel we should have a nice big slice of it. It will go to teams that are in distress”

Bank Exec: “The only team listed here is Man United”

PL: “Well, like with the Covid money, we feel it’s more efficient that way…”
🤣That money was in a frozen bank account. Dunno if it's been used, but it's nothing to do with the PL or Chelsea.

Don't think we're going to get off with a slap. I suppose we will appeal? 

When is the decision due mate ?

 
The bulk of the money currently sits in a government account, supposedly.

£100 m was kept back to cover any problems expected to arise from any dodgy dealings that occured, prior to the sale.

I'm sure the EPL is aiming for what they see as the current balance of said account.

 
The bulk of the money currently sits in a government account, supposedly.

£100 m was kept back to cover any problems expected to arise from any dodgy dealings that occured, prior to the sale.

I'm sure the EPL is aiming for what they see as the current balance of said account.
The last time I looked at this, the money was held in  Abramovich's Chelsea Fordstam company, in a frozen bank account..

The article I read ( about a year ago ) actually said that the government nearly got their hands on it because Fordstam had been late in filing accounts.

Dunno how it stands now, depends which article you read or believe.!

We had a forced rushed sale of the club and yet the proceeds seem to be stuck in a bank account years later .

 
Re. The Money..

Just read a piece from the Charity Commission from June this year...

The money is still in a bank account and NONE of it has been released to help victims of the war. They complain about a lack of transparency.

Looks like it's tied up because of technical and legal issues.

Maybe we could convince them that by having our club sanctioned and sold, we are victims too !!!!

 
If we're talking about the proceeds of the club sale, the money is held in escrow, an account under the control of a third party. In this case the government. The hold up in disbursement was the result of a squabble over the money's destination. Abramovich intended it for all victims of the Ukraine war. Which could be taken to include Russian victims. The government insisted it should only apply to Ukrainian victims.

 
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