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THIS SHOWS HOW BAD WE HAVE BECOME

WE ARE LOOKING TO SIGN A PLAYER (BERGVALL) WHO CANT EVEN GET INTO A SPURS TEAM THAT SURVIVED BEING RELEGATED LAST SEASON, MEANWHILE TOTTENHAM SIGNED 2 CENTERBACKS WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND ARE GOING BACK FOR TONALI AND FERNANDES

WE ARE SKINT AND ANY MONEY WE MAKE FROM SELLING PLAYERS IS GOING TO PAY OFF THE DEBT, WE HAVE NO EUROPEAN FOOTBALL SO DONT NEED A MASSIVE SQUAD

 
I know Paz and Palmer are similar 10s but what if Alonso is going with a 3 at the back formation, we could easily work with two 10s with wingbacks giving the width. Palmer likes to drift in from the right meaning he can at times occupy the side with the more defensively minded wingback. We can also keep the promise of Estevao being used in the 10 also. He could similarly drift into the wide areas. I can see it working, as let's be honest our wingers are useless so we can solve that issue by not playing them or selling them. The idea of Paz or Guler is much more exciting than the type of wingers available.

Quenda as the attacking wing back I even think Neto might be better suited to an attacking wing back rather than a winger.

*Not sure if I was clear but in this scenario we sell Garnacho

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I'm against it.

Unless the wingbacks are very attacking oriented we aren't going to have that many numbers in the box. Wingbacks are a rare breed, and GOOD wingbacks are an even rarer breed. You'll just end up with Zappacosta, Emerson, Frimpong, etc.

God forbid Gusto is our attacking outlet at RWB, and I also don't want to go into the route of turning our wingers into wingbacks because Neto's problem will always be his brain and Quenda looks far more promising as an actual attacker.

 
I'm against it.

Unless the wingbacks are very attacking oriented we aren't going to have that many numbers in the box. Wingbacks are a rare breed, and GOOD wingbacks are an even rarer breed. You'll just end up with Zappacosta, Emerson, Frimpong, etc.

God forbid Gusto is our attacking outlet at RWB, and I also don't want to go into the route of turning our wingers into wingbacks because Neto's problem will always be his brain and Quenda looks far more promising as an actual attacker.
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I've never been a fan of the back 3 myself, feels like setting up negatively from the get go. Alonso has had success with it so is likely to use it at some point if not his main formation. We do need another 10 to give Palmer competition although not a priority someone better than Buonanotte. Palmer can play from the right too which Im not sure Paz does (correct me if Im wrong). A more versatile player like Rogers would probably make more sense then we can play both systems without having to bench one as both can move out wide.

 
“Aston Villa co-owner Nassef Sawiris is determined to ignore all interest in Morgan Rogers unless he receives offers well above £100m. He looks at the fee of about £120m Manchester City might pay for Elliot Anderson.”

Reckon the winner of this transfer window will be the club that decides not to enter into this crazy window. The ridiculous fee isn’t the only problem; you sign a £100m player, and he will be demanding £250k/w. If he flops you are screwed.

 
I know Paz and Palmer are similar 10s but what if Alonso is going with a 3 at the back formation, we could easily work with two 10s with wingbacks giving the width. Palmer likes to drift in from the right meaning he can at times occupy the side with the more defensively minded wingback. We can also keep the promise of Estevao being used in the 10 also. He could similarly drift into the wide areas. I can see it working, as let's be honest our wingers are useless so we can solve that issue by not playing them or selling them. The idea of Paz or Guler is much more exciting than the type of wingers available.

Quenda as the attacking wing back I even think Neto might be better suited to an attacking wing back rather than a winger.

*Not sure if I was clear but in this scenario we sell Garnacho

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You had me at sell Garnacho….. but in all seriousness I think we are all doing the same thing we do every window, hope.

The facts are we are selling first team players because they want out plus nobody wants Garnacho and the rest or our sh*t and the books need balancing.

I really worry that all this speculation is just that and we head into next season with another slightly weaker squad like we have after every window since this mob took over. Please prove me wrong.

 
I don’t think either Rogers or Wharton leave tbh
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Nah we will end up getting Wharton. Makes complete sense. Apparently Disasi the other way too.

Cambiasso noise has been ongoing for weeks and no idea why we would look at him. Not too fussed, Hato would be our first choice next year.

Don't understand the Josh comparison, Hato has nearly 10x more first team minutes under his belt than Josh.

 
Nah we will end up getting Wharton. Makes complete sense. Apparently Disasi the other way too.

Cambiasso noise has been ongoing for weeks and no idea why we would look at him. Not too fussed, Hato would be our first choice next year.

Don't understand the Josh comparison, Hato has nearly 10x more first team minutes under his belt than Josh.
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Palace already been quoted as saying any offer for Wharton would have to match the £100 Million Forest are getting for Anderson from Man City. I think with Kamada also leaving Palace don't want to rebuild their entire midfield,so they'll desperately hold on to Wharton. I rate Wharton but that price is mad. There are other options, and Disasi is apparently being used for Lacroix.

The 'comparison' falls under the same youth umbrella. It's a risk. Hato is 20 with a hardly any experience in a top league or in Europe's top flight. His only real stand out performances also only came at LCB. You're banking Hato being an immediate success on speculation, whereas I am saying its too soon to tell.

Curious, did you want Acheampong to start last summer or were you in the 'bring a new CB' camp?

 
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I keep reading that the club is targeting ‘at least 2 starting level players’ like we should all be excited by this news.

Sorry but we needed more than that before selling 2 first teamers this summer.(I’m expecting Enzo to go).

Come on Alonso get in there and sort em out. Our standards are in the gutter and our SD’s refuse to accept a lot of the players they bought aren’t worth what they payed and don’t want to sell for a book value loss because it just highlights how poor the recruitment has been but at some stage your gonna have to take your medicine if you want to overhaul the squad.

 
I guess they are trying to stay on-side with FFP, we just have to wait and see how it plays out. Alonso coming here makes me think he can see something in us worth improving.

Rome was not built in a day and it won't be fixed on one season this is not the squad strength Conte inherited.

 
Palace already been quoted as saying any offer for Wharton would have to match the £100 Million Forest are getting for Anderson from Man City. I think with Kamada also leaving Palace don't want to rebuild their entire midfield,so they'll desperately hold on to Wharton. I rate Wharton but that price is mad. There are other options, and Disasi is apparently being used for Lacroix.

The 'comparison' falls under the same youth umbrella. It's a risk. Hato is 20 with a hardly any experience in a top league or in Europe's top flight. His only real stand out performances also only came at LCB. You're banking Hato being an immediate success on speculation, whereas I am saying its too soon to tell.

Curious, did you want Acheampong to start last summer or were you in the 'bring a new CB' camp?
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Hato has played 10k minutes for A**x and Chelsea. Josh has played just over 1k. Its miles apart

I was happy to not buy another CB last summer, nothing to do with Josh though. Id have started Colwill, Fofana, Tosin and Chalobah ahead of him 12 months ago.

When Colwill got injured I didn't mind if we signed someone or not because there's rarely value in a snap decision.

 
Hato has played 10k minutes for A**x and Chelsea. Josh has played just over 1k. Its miles apart

I was happy to not buy another CB last summer, nothing to do with Josh though. Id have started Colwill, Fofana, Tosin and Chalobah ahead of him 12 months ago.

When Colwill got injured I didn't mind if we signed someone or not because there's rarely value in a snap decision.
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Yes, in a league where many are claiming the Championship is stronger. I'm not debating the minutes, i'm debating whether it's smart to entrust young players that have a lack of exposure plus the experience in Europe's top competitions. In a team that is already so young & naive.

It wasn't a snap decision. We always wanted another CB. We almost got Huijsen before he left for Real, were earmarked to bring Guehi back, and tested the waters with Murillo. We did nothing. Trusted our options, I was against it. Debated many that Chalobah+Acheampong isn't good enough, and we had the worst defensive season ever.

 
Yes, in a league where many are claiming the Championship is stronger. I'm not debating the minutes, i'm debating whether it's smart to entrust young players that have a lack of exposure plus the experience in Europe's top competitions. In a team that is already so young & naive.

It wasn't a snap decision. We always wanted another CB. We almost got Huijsen before he left for Real, were earmarked to bring Guehi back, and tested the waters with Murillo. We did nothing. Trusted our options, I was against it. Debated many that Chalobah+Acheampong isn't good enough, and we had the worst defensive season ever.
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On Hato, I'd feel differently if two things were true. 1. It was a position other than left back. I don't feel we need to go all out in this position right now. 2. We were in Europe. We've seen enough of him now to realise he can step up, he performed better than Acheampong did last season.

Between now and the January window, we can see how Hato does, we can balance that with Colwill who can step across, and Barco who can also fill in there. If it needs addressing, we can address in January or next Summer. I say this because I want to prioritise a top midfielder and a centre back.

Hujisen went to Madrid, Guehi went to Citeh, neither were coming to us. So the question becomes would I have spent £70m on Murillo last Summer because Colwill got injured? No. I would have rolled the dice with the team we had. It turns out that for whatever reason Chalobah and Tosin both went backwards, Fofana became incredibly sh*t and Acheampong either wasn't given the opportunity to, or couldn't step up. Sometimes things go wrong, sometimes they go right.

 
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On Hato, I'd feel differently if two things were true. 1. It was a position other than left back. I don't feel we need to go all out in this position right now. 2. We were in Europe. We've seen enough of him now to realise he can step up, he performed better than Acheampong did last season.

Between now and the January window, we can see how Hato does, we can balance that with Colwill who can step across, and Barco who can also fill in there. If it needs addressing, we can address in January or next Summer. I say this because I want to prioritise a top midfielder and a centre back.

Hujisen went to Madrid, Guehi went to Citeh, neither were coming to us. So the question becomes would I have spent £70m on Murillo last Summer because Colwill got injured? No. I would have rolled the dice with the team we had. It turns out that for whatever reason Chalobah and Tosin both went backwards, Fofana became incredibly sh*t and Acheampong either wasn't given the opportunity to, or couldn't step up. Sometimes things go wrong, sometimes they go right.
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My issue is that Colwill and Barco are inexperienced players too add the likes of Estevao and a bench of kids and we have a team of inexperienced players. Some of them players are good players but inexperience will still make mistakes. If we have a team full of Terrys and Lampard's then throwing in a youngster would be a lot easier and actually benefit them more. Throwing more young players in this team is a recipe for disaster, a problem created by the recruitment. Im a fan of Hato but we are weaker having sold Cucu, a weaker team than the one that finished 10th!

 
My issue is that Colwill and Barco are inexperienced players too add the likes of Estevao and a bench of kids and we have a team of inexperienced players. Some of them players are good players but inexperience will still make mistakes. If we have a team full of Terrys and Lampard's then throwing in a youngster would be a lot easier and actually benefit them more. Throwing more young players in this team is a recipe for disaster, a problem created by the recruitment. Im a fan of Hato but we are weaker having sold Cucu, a weaker team than the one that finished 10th!
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As long as we replace his experience with experience somewhere, im fine with it, especially if that is in the centre of the park. Im not overly fussed about a left back tbh!

 
As long as we replace his experience with experience somewhere, im fine with it, especially if that is in the centre of the park. Im not overly fussed about a left back tbh!
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The hope is they deliver on the experienced players front but apart from LaCroix the rumours have all been the same profile of Wharton, Bergvall, even Nwanari. Early days in the window so too early to judge.

 
The hope is they deliver on the experienced players front but apart from LaCroix the rumours have all been the same profile of Wharton, Bergvall, even Nwanari. Early days in the window so too early to judge.
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I do feel the need to jump in here and defend the perceived lack of experience around Adam Wharton.

He’s made over 70 appearances for Crystal Palace in the last 2.5 years, in that time being an integral part of an FA Cup final victory over Man City, a Community Shield victory over Liverpool and a ECL final win.

Never once looking out of place on the biggest stage.

For contrast, he’s made the EXACT same number of appearances as Lacroix for Palace, yet we’re labelling one as experienced and one as not? Is it just the age… 22 vs 26 or what?

 
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