Renato Veiga

[ducavis]

Milos Kerkez would be my choice as a Veiga replacement.

He would cost over £40m and his choice of Liverpool and Utd. He wouldn’t leave Bournemouth who are on the up and with those options to come and play backup to Cucurella.

Signed for 12.5M if we manage to sell for the quoted 20M then it’s 7.5 profit for the year or in FFP terms a (roughly) 40M signing amortised over 5 years. Good business for a fringe player.

Why do we keep calling him a “back up” or a “fringe” player and not highlighting his “versatility”. A lot of his value is tied into his potential and he is also a Swiss knife type player. He is a Rico Lewis or a Partey type player under Pep and Arteta respectively, and should be someone Maresca should be fighting to keep.

 

[Guest]

Why do we keep calling him a “back up” or a “fringe” player and not highlighting his “versatility”. A lot of his value is tied into his potential and he is also a Swiss knife type player. He is a Rico Lewis or a Partey type player under Pep and Arteta respectively, and should be someone Maresca should be fighting to keep.

Rico Lewis & Partey are, politely, both seen as their teams weak links as well. 
Is versatility really that much of a positive in a large squad that should be built to challenge? It’s nice,don’t get me wrong, but we should have 2 players at every position and being ‘versatile’ usually translates to more a jack of all trades master of  none.

He’s not a better LB than Cucu (or Chilwell but that’s another matter) and from the reports ISS is a more promising prospect to give ‘developmental’ minutes to.

He’s not a better CB than Colwill or Fofana or even Tosin for that matter and if Guehi comes in he’s behind him as well.

As a CDM/CM hybrid he’s a lot worse than Caiceido & Lavia and we have Santos & Ugochukwo on loan who both have shown more.

Couple all that with the fact that in his limited game time he’s looked distinctly average and the chance to turn a quick profit that could bring in an actual LB/CB to benefit the team it’s a no brainer.

 

[Bob stark]

Am I the only one confused with this Veiga debate? 

Veiga is better than what I expected but he is still very raw. Why Maresca bother with this kind of player. If you want to develop this kind of player you need to give him minutes, the more minutes you give him the more people think you can't coach. 

 

[SydneyChelsea]

Signed for 12.5M if we manage to sell for the quoted 20M then it’s 7.5 profit for the year or in FFP terms a (roughly) 40M signing amortised over 5 years. Good business for a fringe player.

If the transfer is completed this January then the profit will only count for this season's books 2024/25 and can only be used to offset spending from the 2024 transfer windows. However, that leaves us with a few important implications:

• One of Felix, Neto or Sancho is essentially 'free' in FFP terms this year - meaning less pressure if we need to sell them later
  
• The money completely offsets Romelu Lukaku's FFP loss, meaning if he hits his reported performance clauses we turn an FFP profit 
  

 

[WhiteWall]

Rico Lewis & Partey are, politely, both seen as their teams weak links as well. 
Is versatility really that much of a positive in a large squad that should be built to challenge? It’s nice,don’t get me wrong, but we should have 2 players at every position and being ‘versatile’ usually translates to more a jack of all trades master of  none.

He’s not a better LB than Cucu (or Chilwell but that’s another matter) and from the reports ISS is a more promising prospect to give ‘developmental’ minutes to.

He’s not a better CB than Colwill or Fofana or even Tosin for that matter and if Guehi comes in he’s behind him as well.

As a CDM/CM hybrid he’s a lot worse than Caiceido & Lavia and we have Santos & Ugochukwo on loan who both have shown more.

Couple all that with the fact that in his limited game time he’s looked distinctly average and the chance to turn a quick profit that could bring in an actual LB/CB to benefit the team it’s a no brainer.

This. Other than the very occasional glimpse of a piece of quality he has looked pedestrian,  laboured and lacking in creativity, imho.

He sits firmly in a bracket of players nowhere near Chelsea's required standard. No big loss for me.

 

[Bob stark]

He sits firmly in a bracket of players nowhere near Chelsea's required standard. No big loss for me.

This. I am confused with the fuss about Veiga. 

There is a chance that he will turn into a good player but to do that you need to play him. 

 

[Guest]

If it's true he really does see himself as a left sided centre back, then I (selfishly) would like to see him play there a few times before we go ditching him (albeit at a profit)

Maybe all his weaknesses (slow, not hugely creative, not great positioning) go away when played as CB.

Kind of crazy in a world where have him, Cowill and Badiashile already here (to play LCB) and want to go out and buy Guehi

 

[Guest]

If the transfer is completed this January then the profit will only count for this season's books 2024/25 and can only be used to offset spending from the 2024 transfer windows. However, that leaves us with a few important implications:

• One of Felix, Neto or Sancho is essentially 'free' in FFP terms this year - meaning less pressure if we need to sell them later
  
• The money completely offsets Romelu Lukaku's FFP loss, meaning if he hits his reported performance clauses we turn an FFP profit 
  

Someone one day needs to take all the Football Manager financial data (or whever else you can find it) and turn it into an FFP calculator app. It seems like these days the wages a club pays, the transfer fees or the actual profit/loss is functionally meaningless other than how it plays into the FFP profil/loss calculation

 

[All Barco no bite]

Signed for 12.5M if we manage to sell for the quoted 20M then it’s 7.5 profit for the year or in FFP terms a (roughly) 40M signing amortised over 5 years. Good business for a fringe player.

I think there's certain members of the squad i'd agree about this but i think Veiga has shown enough that he's got a good future ahead of him. 

I think a sale now is very shortsighted by the owners. This is a player that within 6 months of being here is comfortably starting for the national team alongside a CB that is touted as having a big money move shortly. We sell for 20M now and celebrate a 7.5M profit, but we'll be cursing when Dortmund flip him for 50M to City in 18 months.

We should be looking at a loan if he's so desperate for game time. 

 

[Remodez]

Am I the only one confused with this Veiga debate? 

Veiga is better than what I expected but he is still very raw. Why Maresca bother with this kind of player. If you want to develop this kind of player you need to give him minutes, the more minutes you give him the more people think you can't coach. 

This is the kind of a player a good manager would be able to mold within a season or two into a solid player, he has most of the tools already. 

I would agree if we were defending our title or favorites to win the league but in our foreseeable position we can afford to give the likes of Veiga enough mins. 

 

[dkw]

Someone one day needs to take all the Football Manager financial data (or whever else you can find it) and turn it into an FFP calculator app. It seems like these days the wages a club pays, the transfer fees or the actual profit/loss is functionally meaningless other than how it plays into the FFP profil/loss calculation

Id rather they didnt and just left us fans to bother about the football, all this financial bo**ocks is just a complete waste of time. We were told all year that we had no chance of passing it for 23/4, we were doomed, all the so called financial gurus were certain of it.  Turns out they were wrong.

No one ever used to give a sh*t about it all, now some clubs have back room staff almost as well known as the bloody players.

 

[Bob stark]

This is the kind of a player a good manager would be able to mold within a season or two into a solid player, he has most of the tools already. 

I would agree if we were defending our title or favorites to win the league but in our foreseeable position we can afford to give the likes of Veiga enough mins. 

There is very little incentive for Maresca to play Veiga. Playing raw player like Veiga who is not exactly very good (very different to acheampong who has crazy talent) mean you risk result and most people will think that you cannot coach. 

 

[Dubair]

Allegedly now he is refusing to leave permanently and only wants to leave on 6 month loan deal. Strange situation but I see minimal benefit in allowing him leave on loan.

 

[axman2526]

Allegedly now he is refusing to leave permanently and only wants to leave on 6 month loan deal. Strange situation but I see minimal benefit in allowing him leave on loan.

Does not really add up for someone who wants out of the club, as the club's PR has spun.

 

[19seventyone]

Dortmund now looking at others as they thought he was available for loan but the club will only entertain a permanent deal at around £20 million.

It could suggest that we need money in now because we’re going to be active in this window 

 

[axman2526]

Dortmund now looking at others as they thought he was available for loan but the club will only entertain a permanent deal at around £20 million.

It could suggest that we need money in now because we’re going to be active in this window 

How quickly this has changed direction a few times in 48 hours. Lol.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

How was Veiga able to agree terms with Dortmund as quickly as he did without Dortmund approaching the club first? Certainly if we only wanted a permanent move then Veiga wouldn't of pushed for it.... 

 

[Scott]

Seems the club wants rid of him for some reason.

 

[axman2526]

How was Veiga able to agree terms with Dortmund as quickly as he did without Dortmund approaching the club first? Certainly if we only wanted a permanent move then Veiga wouldn't of pushed for it.... 

Good question.

Is all guess work based on this speculation that may all be BS anyways but, right now, it sounds like Veiga wanted his agent to find him a loan to get regular play time as a CB, agent found Dortmund, who were keen on a loan, agreed loan contract to cover Veigas Chelsea deal, came back to Chelsea expecting expecting green light, got told can only leave via a sale and neither Dortmund nor Veiga want that so now Veiga is in hot water with Maresca for this mistep.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

I can't imagine Maresca or the club are happy about this.