Should Graham Potter be sacked? (2nd poll)

[Mod]

Looking at it in that format, if we should’ve stuck with anyone, it should’ve been Lampard!

 

[Deino]

Look at the bigger picture instead of short term every time.

The bigger picture right now is Chelsea becoming relegation battlers. 

Nobody is playing for him. Can't even use Alex Ferguson taking Utd to 17th in his first year as a comparison, Ferguson won the CWC with Aberdeen beating then-Real Madrid before taking on the job. Potter's highlight before CFC are Europa leaguers Ostersunds and midtablers Brighton. 

He's another Hodgson in the making

 

[jack_super_class]

The bigger picture right now is Chelsea becoming relegation battlers. 

Nobody is playing for him. Can't even use Alex Ferguson taking Utd to 17th in his first year as a comparison, Ferguson won the CWC with Aberdeen beating then-Real Madrid before taking on the job. Potter's highlight before CFC are Europa leaguers Ostersunds and midtablers Brighton. 

He's another Hodgson in the making

Players aren't playing for him then get rid of them, they will do it to the next manager too.

Most of these players aren't good enough anyway so who cares if they leave.

 

[big blue]

We play palace, then liverpool the weekend after. 

Then we have 13 day break since we are out of the cup, before a home game against fulham.

By the fulham game we should have James, Chilwell, Fofana, and RLC back from injury, and hopefully we a couple more new signings, and maybe Zakaria back.

I think we got to give him this little period to turn it around at the very least, considering how much money it will cost to sack him.

 

[coco]

You used 1 manager to suit your narrative, a horrible Liverpool team by the way. 

Tbf you used Arteta to fit your 'give him time' narrative.

 

[Luca Vialli]

If the likes of Zakaria and Felix can come in on loan and immediately be our most impressive players then the problem isn't with the manager. We've got too many players who are stale and don't want to play football to standard we should be upkeeping.

Get rid of Pulisic, Ziyech, Havertz, Mount, Azpi, Koulibali and then we can start to build again. Until these players aren't guaranteed starters then nothing will change.

Potter is not exempt from criticism, He's picking these under performing players and needs to go back to basics. I just worry he's so stressed he feels compelled to play certain players and isn't making what should be natural decisions.

The fact we're mid table doesn't really factor for me as we aren't going to qualify for Europe anyway. The only thing I don't like is this is likely Thiago Silva's last season and he deserves much much better than this.

 

[jack_super_class]

Tbf you used Arteta to fit your 'give him time' narrative.

Because they are lots of similar circumstances and he's currently top of the league.

 

[Gol15]

You could even argue the once formidable outfit we became accustomed to from the start of Abramovich's reign died in the 2015/2016 season, and we had one last hurrah in Conte's first year by winning the title when City and Liverpool were still adjusting under Guardiola and Klopp.

• 2017/2018 (5th) = 70 points (30 points behind 1st) -- CONTE 
  
• 2018/2019 (3rd) = 72 points (26 points behind 1st) -- SARRI 
  
• 2019/2020 (4th) = 66 points (33 points behind 1st) -- LAMPARD 
  
• 2020/2021 (4th) = 67 points (19 points behind 1st) -- LAMPARD  // TUCHEL 
  
• 2021/2022 (3rd) = 74 points (19 points behind 1st) -- TUCHEL 
  
• 2022/2023 (10th) = 25 points (19 points behind 1st)** -- TUCHEL  // POTTER 
  

We haven't been close to competing for the title since 2017. If I'm generous, we were good in the first half of 2021/2022 but fell away after that due to a variety of factors.

"Potter might not be the answer, and so far his results have been concerning" but the current crisis is a few years in the making.

Here is where different people might come to different conclusions. Potter might not be the answer, the same could be said for all of those previous managers, but all those mentioned names at the very least did their job and finished top 4. 

How much of this crisis is due to Potter? It's a very much valid question to ask, specially in the light of how others have done before him, nobody actually expected us to be this poor so I simply refuse to believe that Potter's shortcomings now are because of years of not competing for the league title, those two things have nothing to do with each other in that sense.

-Lampard's first job and he finished 4th

-Sarri's first time in England and he finished 3rd and won Europa League

-Conte won the league right in his first season after a shaky start and then finished 5th but won the FA Cup

-Tuchel finished 4th from a terrible position he took over and won the CL and then finished 3rd

Nobody asked Potter to win the league, this is about the state of the squad and the state of the club right now and it looks terrible.

 

[coco]

We haven't been close to competing for the title since 2017.

You all keep saying this, and i agree, so why the hell did we get Potter in. Are people really suggesting that Potter can manage a EPL title hunting team that scores goals heavily like all the title winners in recent years including ourselves? Don't come back at me with Arteta as proof it can happen, he came from city, his mentor was Pep, Potter came from mid table Brighton and struggled to score goals there.

As i said, i want him to stay and perform, but all this delusional stuff about him competing in a title race has no credibility at all.

 

[Nibs]

As if we’d get relegated. 

It does seem incredible to even be discussing it. But I look at the table and we are currently 10 points above Everton and West Ham who are in the drop zone. You could argue we are in worse form than either of those and have a lot worse injuries. Even bottom club Southampton have beaten us and beat City this week.

You always look at relegation and think there are at least three sides worse than you so you should be okay. Right now, I'm not sure I can say that. Yes, sides might look worse on paper, but they have a bit more bottle and fight about them than we appear to have.

I won't take anything for granted until it is mathematically impossible for us to go down. And to think it wasn't that along ago we were talking about what a disaster it would be to miss out on top 4!!

 

[enigma]

He shouldn't, but player power comes into play. Unfortunately the fans will pile pressure on too. There are certain things he can control, and he's been trying to make changes to personnel, but it's not easy.

He tried changing Azpi for the youth player, but didn't work. he plays Hall at lb, he plays Chekwemeka and Hutchinson. 

For me there are players hiding behind poor performances as a whole and the blame pointing at Potter. I'm sick of it every time we play poorly. 

 

[Dubair]

Because they are lots of similar circumstances and he's currently top of the league.

Is there really ? He inherited a far inferior squad than potter and at least won the fa cup in his first year which gave fans/owners something to point to with their “process” , I have my doubts if Chelsea will even come 8th this season like arsenal did. 
 

In saying all that let’s see where arsenal are at the end of the season before proclaiming him as a success on the back of giving struggling managers time, bare in mind solskjaer came 2nd after been given time for his and we know how that ended. 

 

[Sconnie Blue]

No. 

 

[Blue72]

The media and some fans want us to shut up and put up with Potter  trust the manager and the process just watch them all turn when we're fighting a relegation battle or in danger of the dropping into the championship, they will attack Potter and the ownership and have a field day, nothing like a top team hitting the bottom for the press you can seem it coming with Potter build em up to knock em down

 

[bisright1]

The media and some fans want us to shut up and put up with Potter  trust the manager and the process just watch them all turn when we're fighting a relegation battle or in danger of the dropping into the championship, they will attack Potter and the ownership and have a field day, nothing like a top team hitting the bottom for the press you can seem it coming with Potter build em up to knock em down

Well yes because if we're fighting a relegation battle then that's new information. 

I currently see us as a mess of a club that needs sorting out. But we aren't getting relegated. 

If we look like we are going to get relegated I want Potter out. But at that stage no one can blame the players, the injuries etc. It will be on Potter 

Right now there are many other excuses for why we aren't top 6. But there are no excuses if we are in the relegation places. 

 

[Blue72]

Well yes because if we're fighting a relegation battle then that's new information. 

I currently see us as a mess of a club that needs sorting out. But we aren't getting relegated. 

If we look like we are going to get relegated I want Potter out. But at that stage no one can blame the players, the injuries etc. It will be on Potter 

Right now there are many other excuses for why we aren't top 6. But there are no excuses if we are in the relegation places. 

Problem is when you get into a relegation battle it sometimes becomes to late to act

 

[strider6004]

Last night was close and possibly even probably we would have won if Felix had not see Red.

We now have Palace- H, Liverpool -A, Fulham-H and West Ham-A.

If we fail to win any I cannot see him staying and that could be 4.5 years of compensation for him and possibly some of the staff that came with him.

Note all those sides above will now be prepared to put crosses in to test Kepa.

 

[Deino]

Players aren't playing for him then get rid of them, they will do it to the next manager too.

Most of these players aren't good enough anyway so who cares if they leave.

Changing the whole squad would accomplish nothing. Bring in 14 new players and Potter would still spend the next 3 games chopping and changing 

I know you want to give Potter a shot but the reality is Potter doesn't know what to do. Look at his mannerisms, interviews, substitutions and press conferences. He doesn't even try to build a siege mentality with the players when normally adversity can help bring people together. 

 

[Deino]

Here is where different people might come to different conclusions. Potter might not be the answer, the same could be said for all of those previous managers, but all those mentioned names at the very least did their job and finished top 4. 

How much of this crisis is due to Potter? It's a very much valid question to ask, specially in the light of how others have done before him, nobody actually expected us to be this poor so I simply refuse to believe that Potter's shortcomings now are because of years of not competing for the league title, those two things have nothing to do with each other in that sense.

-Lampard's first job and he finished 4th

-Sarri's first time in England and he finished 3rd and won Europa League

-Conte won the league right in his first season after a shaky start and then finished 5th but won the FA Cup

-Tuchel finished 4th from a terrible position he took over and won the CL and then finished 3rd

Nobody asked Potter to win the league, this is about the state of the squad and the state of the club right now and it looks terrible.

I mean earlier in the season,  a lot of us criticized Tuchel for slipping out of Top 4 but suddenly is fine with Potter torpedoing us to lower midtable 

Why? 

 

[bisright1]

I mean earlier in the season,  a lot of us criticized Tuchel for slipping out of Top 4 but suddenly is fine with Potter torpedoing us to lower midtable 

Why? 

Bit disingenuous. I'd say 90% Chelsea fans felt Tuchel was in a tough place and should be given time to turn around. Now half the Chelsea fans are attacking Potter and demanding he be sacked. 

I'd be surprised if anyone saying Potter needs more time was being harsher to Tuchel. Most of the people who want to give Potter time just have a firm belief that sacking a manager every 18 months is one reason why we don't challenge for the league anymore and we need to focus on kicking out players rather than managers. That applies to both.