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ForeverCarefree said:
Why are you using goal conversion rates for last season and what is the reason for picking out those three players? 

Top goal scorers last season in the Premier League were: 

Harry Kane - 23 goals, 16.8%

Mo Salaha - 22 goals, 17.5%

Bruno Fernandes - 18 goals, 14.9%

Son Heung-Min - 17 goals, 25%

Patrick Bamford - 17 goals, 15.9% 

So of last seasons top 5 goal scorers only one player had a better conversion ratio in the league than Abraham. 

Also worth noting that Abraham had the highest conversion ratio in the league of all of Chelsea's attacking players last season. 
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Fairs points and on looking again at the page see there were further pages so not a good comparison. 

 
Scott Harris said:
This is the one thing I think Tuchel got really wrong, not because I think Abraham was the answer to our problems, but because I don't see why he couldn't have offered us as much (probably more) than what Lukaku has. Now we are stuck with a £100m striker that will probably hold us back for years instead of going for somebody more suited to how we want to play. There is often always a young striker that breaks through, you just need to be patient and wait for that player to emerge.
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Two wrongs don't make a right.

 
Argo said:
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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But some wrongs are much more damaging. Sticking with Abraham for another season would have hurt us a lot less than throwing £100m at a player we will be stuck with for years. It's not like we will suddenly go and bring in another striker with Lukaku on our books. He will have to go before we bring in another striker.

 
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Bob stark said:
It is more than patient, you need environment where young player can suceed. You can't ask young player your job is to lead the line,hold the ball, fight cb and score. They will struggle a lot and lose confidence, you need to give them smaller role and slowly give the more.

This is where veteran comes in. You need your older player to be able to do the more difficult role. This is what Willian and Giroud did very well for our attackers. They will hold up the ball, bring the ball forward,press and track back so all puli and tammy need to do is to create and get goals.
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I'm not talking about some 18 year old kid, I'm talking about players that have been around for a few years and ready to go to the next level. You see players emerge like this regularly, like Vlahovic at Fiorentina. I'm not saying we should have signed Vlahovic, but it's these types of players we should be looking out for, not players like Lukaku who we know has huge weaknesses and is clearly not suited to how we want to play. 

 
Tammy was awful for the majority of his time here last season, and hurt the team when playing, essentially seeing us playing with a man less.

Lukaku has been awful for the majority of this time here this season, and hurts the team when playing, essentially seeing us playing with a man less.

For me, it was absolutely the correct decision to let Bambi on Ice go. It remains to be seen if it was the correct decision to buy back Lukaku - current output suggests it wasnt.

Playing for Chelsea up top is more than simply finishing and putting the ball in the net (although that is a good place to start!) - if it was, then Batsman would be our first choice. Tammy want good enough, and we shouldnt let Lukaku's failures sugar coat that.

 
Fun fact:

Lukaku scored

2020/2021: 18 goals without penalties.

2019/2020; 17 goals without penalties.

Right now Abraham is on pace to score 17 goals without penalties.

"Italian" strikers are a dangerous commodity. Piatek and Immobile banging them in for fun in Italy, but utter flops in the free-flowing Bundesliga. Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic and Dzeko being top strikers as grandpas.

You need some proper level scouting to successfully predict the transferability of Italian scoring to other leagues imho.

 
nonotnowjim said:
Tammy was awful for the majority of his time here last season, and hurt the team when playing, essentially seeing us playing with a man less.

Lukaku has been awful for the majority of this time here this season, and hurts the team when playing, essentially seeing us playing with a man less.

For me, it was absolutely the correct decision to let Bambi on Ice go. It remains to be seen if it was the correct decision to buy back Lukaku - current output suggests it wasnt.

Playing for Chelsea up top is more than simply finishing and putting the ball in the net (although that is a good place to start!) - if it was, then Batsman would be our first choice. Tammy want good enough, and we shouldnt let Lukaku's failures sugar coat that.
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When was the time when Tammy was 'awful' last season? He was mainly a bench player, but he was scoring when Lampard started him. Under Tuchel he didn't even get the chance.

To this day I still can't believe he wasn't even on the bench for the cup final...

 
wizardous said:
When was the time when Tammy was 'awful' last season? He was mainly a bench player, but he was scoring when Lampard started him. Under Tuchel he didn't even get the chance.

To this day I still can't believe he wasn't even on the bench for the cup final...
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Awful most of the time, just scroll back through this thread to see the complaints. 

 
We got rid of Tammy because he offered little but goals and even the goals were drying up. You can't fault the club for trying to get the most in form strikers in Europe to try and progress the team. Werner and Lukaku were ambitious recruitments, it's just unfortunate that they aren't working out.

 
ElTerrible said:
Fun fact:

Lukaku scored

2020/2021: 18 goals without penalties.

2019/2020; 17 goals without penalties.

Right now Abraham is on pace to score 17 goals without penalties.

"Italian" strikers are a dangerous commodity. Piatek and Immobile banging them in for fun in Italy, but utter flops in the free-flowing Bundesliga. Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic and Dzeko being top strikers as grandpas.

You need some proper level scouting to successfully predict the transferability of Italian scoring to other leagues imho.
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Tammy scored 15 goals for us 2 seasons ago in pl.

 
Scott Harris said:
I'm not talking about some 18 year old kid, I'm talking about players that have been around for a few years and ready to go to the next level. You see players emerge like this regularly, like Vlahovic at Fiorentina. I'm not saying we should have signed Vlahovic, but it's these types of players we should be looking out for, not players like Lukaku who we know has huge weaknesses and is clearly not suited to how we want to play. 
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I completely agree that eventually you need to ask them to do more.

I am not sure about Vahlovic at all. We need our st to be able to do everything. He need to keep the ball, link up, get assist and also score (fans also want him to press hard).

 
We relied on Tammy to score in his first PL season after he managed to bang in 25 in the Championship and in the first half of that season under Lampard he scored 11 goals in 18 games played and had 3 assists as well which was great. Then he fell off after being overplayed and finally got injured because of it in the second half of February, which slowed down his season significantly.

Tammy at that age, around 22 years old was comparable to G.Jesus and Rashford, specially if we consider that he became the first option without prior experience and exposure in the highest level, G.Jesus and Rashford had the time to grow in their respective squads but Tammy scoring for us as soon as possible was a must for us.

Then last season before Lampard got sacked he scored 6 goals in less than 10 starts and then Tuchel didn't even play him 2 full games in total if we look at his minutes and nobody managed to score more than 6 goals in the league despite the fact that some attackers had a lot more minutes than Tammy.

Our rivals show more patience for their strikers and work with them more but then again they have more stable managers as well, Even if we look at Firmino, he scored only once 15 goals in the PL and that was in his 3rd season while Tammy did it while being younger and in his first season. 

 
Bob stark said:
I completely agree that eventually you need to ask them to do more.

I am not sure about Vahlovic at all. We need our st to be able to do everything. He need to keep the ball, link up, get assist and also score (fans also want him to press hard).
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If the player in question does all of the 4 to the level Hazard did then they can by all means have a pressing exemption and the system tweaked accordingly.

 
Argo said:
If the player in question does all of the 4 to the level Hazard did then they can by all means have a pressing exemption and the system tweaked accordingly.
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If any player can do all 4, they can just stand still during the defensive phase and I wouldn't hold anything against him

 
Deino said:
If any player can do all 4, they can just stand still during the defensive phase and I wouldn't hold anything against him
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Argo said:
If the player in question does all of the 4 to the level Hazard did then they can by all means have a pressing exemption and the system tweaked accordingly.
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The problem is It is so difficult to find such player and most of the time they are already a superstar. 

 
nonotnowjim said:
Surely this thread should be moved into the other teams section.....
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