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The injuries thread

I made a baseless claim that it had something to do with the training pitch at cobham. I can’t back that up at all or have any facts to draw on but something is wrong.

Tuchel had this problem 

Potter had this problem 

Poch is now having this problem 

This can’t be a coincidence.

 
In fairness today aside where it was bad again with a couple of what are hopefully one game injuries, it’s getting better. It’s not the type of thing that’s going to change overnight unfortunately. 

 
We seem to have some stock update phrases for our injury list :

"Progressing with the reconditioning phase of his rehabilitation" :  Lavia, Nkunku

"Starting the reconditioning phase of his rehabilitation" : Gusto

"Continuing to undergo his rehabilitation programme" :  Chilwell, Fofana, Chukwuemeka, Chalobah, Ugochukwu

I guess the reconditioning phase means building up match fitness after the injury has been fixed, and hence closer to a return ?

All very vague though LOL

 
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Sexyfootball said:
We seem to have some stock update phrases for our injury list :

"Progressing with the reconditioning phase of his rehabilitation" :  Lavia, Nkunku

"Starting the reconditioning phase of his rehabilitation" : Gusto

"Continuing to undergo his rehabilitation programme" :  Chilwell, Fofana, Chukwuemeka, Chalobah, Ugochukwu

I guess the reconditioning phase means building up match fitness after the injury has been fixed, and hence closer to a return ?

All very vague though LOL
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Yeah, it’s all very corporate and doesn’t tell much. Saying that, if Gusto is started the conditioning phase we won’t see him for 2-3 months at best based on how these statements unfold. 

 
Current levels of injuries by club:

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Note the number of clubs whose injury list (while less players than us) is nevertheless resulting in a collapse of their form and league position ... in Arsenal's case only with 5 out LOL

 
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Current levels of injuries by club:

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Note the number of clubs whose injury list (while less players than us) is nevertheless resulting in a collapse of their form and league position ... in Arsenal's case only with 5 out LOL
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It would be interesting to compare the figures of, say, the previous 10 seasons: are numbers increasing, is there a link with number of played matches, including international tournaments, with far away pre-season destinations?

Who doesn't have a life to speak of, or wants to escape the one they're having?

I'm busy.

 
Sexyfootball said:
Current levels of injuries by club:

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Note the number of clubs whose injury list (while less players than us) is nevertheless resulting in a collapse of their form and league position ... in Arsenal's case only with 5 out LOL
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Feels like we’ve been at 8+ injuries for over a year now. Be really interesting to see what this squad could actually do if fit for a prolonged period of time. 

 
PhilH930 said:
Feels like we’ve been at 8+ injuries for over a year now. Be really interesting to see what this squad could actually do if fit for a prolonged period of time. 
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Yeah and that's where you notice the media bias. When we had more injuries than Brighton and Newcastle, you never heard it talked about. Once those media flavours of the month started picking injuries, there was no single commentary, positive or negative that didn't have their injury situation ad-libbed to fit the narrative

And that's why even though I have been mega pissed at Boehly's strategy I haven't been too harsh on the team nor Poch because we have never been able to play what would have been our first team squad all season.

 
I get that there are a lot of injuries but, unpopular as it may be to say this, modern day footballers are a bunch of pussies. 

Lavia came back for a bit of one game and is now out with bruising. What? Seriously,  a fking bruise? A bruise, even on the bone is uncomfortable but it's not an injury. I walked around last week with a big blister on the ball of my foot, right near my big toe. Uncomfortable, hurt like hell and made it awkward to walk at times. It weren't a fking injury though. Jeez.

We look at these stats and I wonder if it is any different really after all. So not talking donkeys years ago, case balls, chopper Harris and all that stuff, just talking about the most recently retired generation, Neville, Keane, Sheringham, Shearer, Henry etc. They will generally agree that the vast majority of footballers are always 70% fit throughout their careers at best. Players are always carrying something. It's sport, it's contact, its physical.

I just wonder if its always been this way but nowadays this lot are wrapped in bubble wrap where the slightest thing is a major issue. It's not a major injury needing a 6 week reconditioning course, he's got a touch of the farmer Giles, pad up, grow a pair and get out there.

Of course there will be some real and serious issues, there always has been, but I do think there seems to be a whole soap opera developing around a lot of this. What it does say to me is that Al, this taking 3 months to make sure the players are at peak fitness is pointless cos they break down immediately again by the standards of the level that the bar is being set at.

 
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I wouldn't say they are pussies, but players definitely aren't playing with injuries that they once would play through, though I expect that entirely down to the medical teams decisions rather than players sh*tting out of games.

There's a huge amount of data now that's reviewed and decisions made on, all thys red zone fitness stuff etc.

 
dkw said:
I wouldn't say they are pussies, but players definitely aren't playing with injuries that they once would play through, though I expect that entirely down to the medical teams decisions rather than players sh*tting out of games.

There's a huge amount of data now that's reviewed and decisions made on, all thys red zone fitness stuff etc.
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I agree, the pussies comment was just to grab people's attention  :biggrin:

The problem with this environment if you reduce the tolerance bar then you have the positive effect of putting players on the pitch at maximum peak fitness, but the converse effect will be a larger population of players that don't reach the threshold and therefore are out injured that players throughout time have played through.

 
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WhiteWall said:
I agree, the pussies comment was just to grab people's attention  :biggrin:

The problem with this environment if you reduce the tolerance bar then you have the positive effect of putting players on the pitch at maximum peak fitness, but the converse effect will be a larger population of players that don't reach the threshold and therefore are out injured that players throughout time have played through.
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And you can wonder how wise that was. I remember reports from former players - who had to retire earlier than nowadays BTW - that at 40 they couldn't even play with their kids anymore.

 
Valerie said:
And you can wonder how wise that was. I remember reports from former players - who had to retire earlier than nowadays BTW - that at 40 they couldn't even play with their kids anymore.
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Yes, you are correct there Val, particularly with repetitive damage on susceptible areas of the body. But there remains a middle ground, whereby  players for years have played with niggles and not being at peak fitness. It will have an effect on their bodies over time but all competitive sportsmen will suffer some consequences from their lives of sport whether it is Robert Green or Tom Daley for example.

My point here is that if historically the general threshold is a level of 20% deterioration on peak fitness and in modern times that has dropped to a 5% deterioration it could explain why there are so many injured players. Maybe there always was.

 
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