Villas-Boas submits ref complaint

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Better team won. They were clinical in finishing and only goals count..but I have to point out that it is that much easier for a ref to do his job at OT if ManU is winning and cruising.

Think about how much booing from the crowd and whining from the players he has to face when they are losing. Every time Nani falls down players would crowd him and 60k fans screaming for his head.

As ZLC said he didn't complain about the refs right after the game to an interviewer uninformed. He watched the game from video and decided he should call one of SAF's best friends :biggrin:

 
This is fine in my opinion, as someone mentioned just above he didnt go do a fergie after the game and blame anyone and everything for any defeat his team has suffered. He has gone through the proper channels and if nothing else with any luck the media will focus on that now and lay off ashley and nando. Someone mentioned above that maybe he should be doing this if he had been here for a season or two, please explain what difference that would make??

Btw ozboy, nice idea in principle (as much as i wouldnt like it) but no way that could be put into reality. Would become too much of a tactical play for the mangers, sure there are plenty of occasions where it would be geniunally used but there would also be a lot of times a manager might see the other tem is building up momentum or dominating them and just use one to try and break that up

 
This is fine in my opinion, as someone mentioned just above he didnt go do a fergie after the game and blame anyone and everything for any defeat his team has suffered. He has gone through the proper channels and if nothing else with any luck the media will focus on that now and lay off ashley and nando. Someone mentioned above that maybe he should be doing this if he had been here for a season or two, please explain what difference that would make??

Btw ozboy, nice idea in principle (as much as i wouldnt like it) but no way that could be put into reality. Would become too much of a tactical play for the mangers, sure there are plenty of occasions where it would be geniunally used but there would also be a lot of times a manager might see the other tem is building up momentum or dominating them and just use one to try and break that up
Not sure whose or what comment do you mean but I pointed out earlier that if you are ever going to talk to that authority you need to do it every time you feel something went wrong, even in the games you win. Otherwise it feels like you can't handle losing.

 
Not sure whose or what comment do you mean but I pointed out earlier that if you are ever going to talk to that authority you need to do it every time you feel something went wrong, even in the games you win. Otherwise it feels like you can't handle losing.
Just checked, it was westway wonder, to be fair he did also say if it was to take pressure off the players then he is all for it. I just dont see how it makes a difference how long he has been here for

 
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11668_7191833,00.html

Andre Villas-Boas insists his decision to lodge a complaint to referees' chief Mike Riley is not an attempt to influence officiating in Chelsea games.

The Blues boss has acted after seeing his side on the wrong end of some contentious decisions during a 3-1 defeat at Manchester United on Sunday.

The Portuguese coach suffered his first defeat in English football at Old Trafford, and his first league setback in 17 months following a productive spell at Porto.

He was disappointed with the nature of the loss, with replays showing that United's first two goals were plundered by players who had been in offside positions.

Villas-Boas also believes that the Red Devils were awarded a 'soft' second half penalty, which Wayne Rooney ballooned wide after losing his footing.

Important

The Chelsea manager revealed on Tuesday that he had contacted Riley regarding the performance of the officials on show, but he claims there is no ulterior motive behind his complaint.

He said: "Nothing is going to change regarding the performance of the referees and I'm not trying to influence decisions, just calling attention to the fact that this situation happened and it played an extremely important part in the result."

Villas-Boas also insisted he had not asked for Sunday's referee, Phil Dowd, to be withdrawn from future Chelsea matches.

"I would never do that," he said.

"The game should be human, with as many emotions as possible, and I think that the referees have a major part to play."

Mistake

Poor officiating did not mask the fact that, despite dominating Sunday's game in an attacking sense, Chelsea once again looked extremely vulnerable at the back.

But Villas-Boas was adamant that was not the case, saying: "I cannot lose my time organising my defensive set plays for the referee to make a mistake like that - I'm sorry.

"You organise a team to defend a set play, to be coherent, to hold the line, and then there is a person who does not do his job.

"We had an incident like this against Sunderland the other day - offside not given.

"So it's not a question of organisation, it's not a question of defensive fragilities. It's a question of a mistake that you pay the penalty for."



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To be honest, I hope he didn't spend too much time organising defensive set pieces because offside or not, there were two players free on the back post:S

 
AVB needs to highlight the decisions that went against us on Sunday. It is smart management. For my money he needs to make more of the penalty decision and the free-kick that led to their first goal, both of which were dodgy.

Fergie has built up a lie over the years that Chelsea get the decisions against them. He has done it quite adeptly. As such, we have suffered, not only on Sunday, but last season at OT twice. Anyone who thinks there is no relationship between his continual bleating about our "soft" penalty at the Bridge last season (it was a penalty) and the fact Luiz didn't get sent off and the fact they then went on to get hugely favourable decisions in both our CL games and crunch Premiership game is deluded.

AVB needs to redress the balance. Change the perception. Otherwise referees will continually victimise us. Already this season we have had stonewall penalties denied us. I am fully convinced that had the offence been the other way, Dowd would not have given the penalty. It was far from clear-cut.

Even the season before, Fergie was going on about our offside goal when their goal was scored via a handball. Because Carlo said nothing, all the focus was on the offside. We need a manager who doesn't allow that to happen, otherwise we suffer. In the earlier encounter at the Bridge, all the focus (quite remarkably) was on the free-kick given against Fletcher (which led to our goal), when the real story was the kung-fu kick on Drogba that led to him being booked. It was a straight red and pen, as Carlo should have said. I do not want a manager who keeps schtum. That just allows other managers to have it their way. This was a massive failing of Carlo's in my opinion. He did not want to upset anybody.

Ashley Cole's challenge has made headlines. Headlines on the back page. Really. It was a bad challenge in my opinion. Reckless at best. Fergie then said Ashley has a history of such tackles, which is nonsense. Quite adeptly, Fergie is changing the perception of Cole as a dirty player (which he's not). This puts us at a disadvantage. Ashley had better be careful in the immediate future. Fergie has made sure of that, while also creating the illusion they were wronged, whereas they were the beneficiaries of the officials. AVB needs to make that clear. The worst thing he could do is keep schtum. That's exactly what Fergie wants him to do.

 
Just checked, it was westway wonder, to be fair he did also say if it was to take pressure off the players then he is all for it. I just dont see how it makes a difference how long he has been here for
If you only do it after a loss it makes you look like you can't accept defeat. SAF is just like that. For an older man he is very childish at times IMO. Carlo was a true gent every time. Never complained although he maybe should have one or two occasions.

Everything AVB does now is watched with a magnifying glass as people are trying to figure out who the man it and what he is like. These kind of things label you. I don't know if AVB thinks things like these but I would.

 
“I cannot lose my time organising defensive set-plays for the referee to make a mistake like that”

So said Andre Villas-Boas, as he vented his frustration at the referee [vicariously] and his assistants [only one primarily] and their obvious lack of expertise when confronted with key decisions in the critical opening stages of Sunday’s match. Sour-grape whinge or warranted condemnation? Well, in a Premiership graced by the infamous Sir Alex Ferguson Mind Game, there will always be a tendency to judge these issues using a scornful what’s-in-it-for-them method of analysis, but I would beg to differ on this occasion. Also, it really is too easy to assume the seemingly fair-minded position, to proffer a sympathetic pat to the head of officialdom (what a difficult job they do, poor souls) whilst simultaneously chuckling at [or deriding] a game old boy every time he gets away with murder. In short, if we’re completely honest over the media coverage to date in this particular instance, there has been precious little of this type of ‘precious’ handling, either on screen or in print.

Just why this should be, especially when you consider how far the estimable(?) restraint of Carlo got him up the Media ladder of respect and into a Sky Italia studio, is hard to fathom. Perhaps it was because AVB didn’t go to the other critical extreme, reliving a bygone age crusading into Jose territory, where the citadel named Respect was sacked with regularity and impunity. Then again, perhaps it was because they do actually agree with what the Boas has said and thought to themselves ’yeh, he’s right, those officials weren’t up to scratch, they did influence the match in favour of the home team at a crucial moment in the contest and it was at Old Trafford, yet again, and you are spot on Andre, what is the point of working your defensive skills butt off when you’re going to get shafted like that in the big games?’ Either way, regardless of your take on the situation and accepting that none of these Media messengers will ever gainsay refereeing authority in support of a Chelsea case, their unadulterated verbatim reporting speaks volumes and if we hear any loudmouthed effrontery emanating from Phil Dowd’s corner over the next few days I will be very surprised.

In fact, I’ve come to the conclusion that what we have seen embodied in this firm, but fair, critical aftermath is a newly-arrived Premiership manager laying down an early marker, delivered on his own behalf and that of the club, and those in authority will now understand he is not prepared to accept foolhardy decisions gladly, with self-seeking outrage, or meek and mute acceptance. Instead we will have comment on just and unjust cause, plus appraisal of the overall affect as he sees it and, should that ’affect’ be a wastage of his time and effort doing the job, he will say so in no uncertain terms. Indeed, such has been the measure of approach, any retributive action taken for his comments, by the FA with PGMO approval, will look no more than a punishment for stating the bleeding obvious in the starkest terms and, hopefully, commonsense will prevail in circumstances where, might I suggest, the demotion of Phil Dowd and Co to a Championship game wouldn’t seem out of place.

 
The chances of a Dowd & Co demotion after refereeing a home win for Manure at Old Trafford is (although i totally agree with the sentiment Dorset) NEVER going to happen...

If the shoe had been on the other foot however.... mmmmm who knows !

Alan

 
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