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Watching our team failing yet again to pick up three points at home against mediocre opposition got me thinking about something.

Joking aside,if you were Roman and had been seeing our matches this season so far, would you trust Scolari to spend your money on new players? I mean shouldn't a new manager at least prove that he's capable of leading the team before asking for cash?

I may be overreacting but for weeks and weeks now I see us making the same mistakes,playing the same way and failing to win matches when things get difficult. Does this team look confident to you? Do these players seem like they know what the manager wants from them and believe in his ideas and coaching? And if you have your doubts, and considering our current run of games, you should, would you still splash the cash on the players Scolari asks for?

 
I share your thoughts. This is exactly what I'm feeling about Scolari though I haven't thought of the aspect yet that this could be possibly a reason why cash is denied to him in the January transfer window.

One thing that is most striking is that we're not only dropping points against big names and strong oppositions but struggle against quite the most ordinary teams in the PL. That sometimes when we find our form we could do it 5-0 but when we couldn't win 5-0 all we do is not trying to - say, at least win it 1-0. West Spam didn't prove themselves to be a that superior team but despite some very rare moments the team lacks the will to breakthrough and earn the win. What we have shown today is far far away from what we've shown in January last year. And though I may be the only one I have serious doubts concerning Scolari's ability to motivate the team. To infuse them the will to fight hard for a win and may it be a simple and "boring" 1-0.

And if I compare Scolari's merits to those of Mourinho and AG - and when I compare why Mourinho was sacked and why Grant was sacked than I have to admit the board and Roman have been very, very lenient towards Scolari. Mourinho and Grant haven't lead the team to a similar stage but have been sacked. If Scolari can rise the team on the level Grant has brought them in January then he'd be a hero already. It saddens me, it hurts me admitting that all his coaching has made AG even seem to be a "not-so-bad" manager.

I'm neither lobbying for nor against Scolari or any other manager, actually I'm strongly opposing the thought sacking him now and bringing in another. I agree with many posters here that Scolari needs time to build up his team and his system. YES. But as I've also said once before - the first months are over now and still Scolari hasn't proved much that he's worth the confidence of the board and the fans.

Of course we don't know whom Scolari is targeting right now at the moment. We just know what the tabloids say and well, that this isn't a reliable source - that's clear to us all. But if just a tiny piece of all the r'bbish what's written on the pages is true - just to name some: Owen, Heskey, a lot Portuguese/Brazilian players and ROBINHO (still!!!!!!!!!!) then it's no surprise to me that there is hardly interest in handing him the cash for them.

 
You are not overreacting. I no longer trust Scolari to make the right decisions. He has had his time to prove me wrong and failed tonight. Spectacularly failed.

 
Virosh said:
You are not overreacting. I no longer trust Scolari to make the right decisions. He has had his time to prove me wrong and failed tonight. Spectacularly failed.
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Or maybe Scolari was just too overhyped to be true. Though he had a great CV we all thought of him to be UBER-manager. At the end he was just ordinary?

 
Kerry said:
Or maybe Scolari was just too overhyped to be true. Though he had a great CV we all thought of him to be UBER-manager. At the end he was just ordinary?
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Possible. Sad, but possible. After what I have seen, I wouldn't dismiss that altogether.

 
Virosh said:
Possible. Sad, but possible. After what I have seen, I wouldn't dismiss that altogether.
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Yes I know that doesn't justify him a bit. At the end it's just the results that counts.

I'm just thinking about the often-brought argument "Give him more time, Fergie/Wenger/teletubbie all needed their time to become successful". I'm just thinking if he deserves it.

 
My feelings on this are that if you are a big enough man with enough money behind you to sack a manager with a record like Mourinho had here, then sack the man who you chose to replace him when both had good records here then you have to back your own judgement at some stage and stop throwing your toys about when things dont go exactly to plan.

Roman has to back him with money or he will always wonder if what Scolari needs is that one piece he said he needed to get the team playing to his vision,

If he doesn't back him he may aswell sack him...the payoff then would cost us and who is to say the next man would be any better or even that any decent manager would want to come in seeing what had happened to the four preceeding him.

I have doubts about Scolari like everyone else but I had doubts about Mourinho, Grant Ranieri and all the managers before them, one of my favourites has been Gullit and what has he gone on to do?

we need stability here and if this man doesn't get a couple of seasons and some backing we are going to be talking the same another four managers down the line.

 
Scolari at the beginning of his reign wanted Robinho , he had assessed the squad and seen we were short in that department. We as a group of supporters also knew our deficiencies...the lack of reliable wide players who can turn a defence with a moment of magic. Time and again this has been proved this season as we predicted back at the end of August. The call by many is for 2 up front , this is great but to play that system the strikers need something to feed on and not dinked balls through packed defences that are on the whole easy to defend against. Give Scolari the backing with the cash he needs to strengthen the team in the areas we are clearly deficient in, only then can we judge him properly.

 
Chippy said:
My feelings on this are that if you are a big enough man with enough money behind you to sack a manager with a record like Mourinho had here, then sack the man who you chose to replace him when both had good records here then you have to back your own judgement at some stage and stop throwing your toys about when things dont go exactly to plan.Roman has to back him with money or he will always wonder if what Scolari needs is that one piece he said he needed to get the team playing to his vision,

If he doesn't back him he may aswell sack him...the payoff then would cost us and who is to say the next man would be any better or even that any decent manager would want to come in seeing what had happened to the four preceeding him.

I have doubts about Scolari like everyone else but I had doubts about Mourinho, Grant Ranieri and all the managers before them, one of my favourites has been Gullit and what has he gone on to do?

we need stability here and if this man doesn't get a couple of seasons and some backing we are going to be talking the same another four managers down the line.
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I do agree that we need stability and sacking a manager after 4-5 months in charge is ludicrous and will do nothing but harm us even more.

What I meant was, would you after seeing what we've all seen these last few months, still have enough faith in Scolari to spend your money on new players?

I always thought Jose was poor in the transfer market but he sure as hell could motivate the team and was a great tactician. I look at Solari's team and I see a dodgy defence leaking silly goals and a midfield that enjoys lion's share of possession without creating any chances. Then, when we concede, the team looks like a deer caught in headlights as if saying:"Well, that wasn't a part of the plan.What the f.ck do we do now?"

If Scolari can't motivate them, can't teach them how to break teams down and can't coach them to defend properly then what the hell is he actually good at?

 
charierre said:
Give Scolari the backing with the cash he needs to strengthen the team in the areas we are clearly deficient in, only then can we judge him properly.
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Yes this is one way but the question about his ability still remains. I think a good manager would have been able to do better with our current squad, and to be honest we DON'T have a bad squad at the moment though it needs some improvement (but I think every squad needs improvement). So as Scolari hasn't done well with the current squad could he do better if given him the cash for improvements? I think that's also a question of cost-benefit-relations. Sure Scolari could do better with improvements - but won't ANY manager do better with that? So the thought Scolari can't do the best with his players still remains.

But maybe I'm the only one.

 
Kerry said:
I think a good manager would have been able to do better with our current squad,
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The problem with our current squad is it is seriously unbalanced and ageing,Scolari has inherited it, add to that injuries to key players and the problems we are seeing at present will occur. It cannot be emphasised enough that without width no matter who the manager is the team will be forced to attack through a congested middle. Malouda and Kalou are just not good enough , Joe is frightfully inconsistant. Give Drogba half a dozen games to get match fitness back add Essien and Riccy and a decent wide player to give the strikers something to feed off and we'll see a different result. Not backing the manager at this stage in his career with us can only lead to instability within the club. Having chosen him for the job faith has now to be shown in him ...otherwise who in their right mind who is worth his salt take on the job after LFS has gone?

 
charierre said:
The problem with our current squad is it is seriously unbalanced and ageing,Scolari has inherited it, add to that injuries to key players and the problems we are seeing at present will occur. It cannot be emphasised enough that without width no matter who the manager is the team will be forced to attack through a congested middle. Malouda and Kalou are just not good enough , Joe is frightfully inconsistant. Give Drogba half a dozen games to get match fitness back add Essien and Riccy and a decent wide player to give the strikers something to feed off and we'll see a different result. Not backing the manager at this stage in his career with us can only lead to instability within the club. Having chosen him for the job faith has now to be shown in him ...otherwise who in their right mind who is worth his salt take on the job after LFS has gone?
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If I haven't stated it in my former posts I'd do it again: I wish nothing less than sacking Scolari NOW. I wish stability for our club and though our performances are bad sometimes this season I'm of of those who'd never, ever encourage booing our club.

For stability, I wish a manager in that position for longer than say the time Mourinho has spent with us, but I wish to see the right man there. And I just have my doubts Scolari is the right man. I'm waiting eagerly to see something convincing but the longer this soap goes on, the less is my conviction. Reading this thread it seems I'm not the only one.

Scolari has inherited an aging squad, yes. But in the summer he could have had some opportunities to improve this situation. E.g. our midfield. See Lampard. I'm a great admirer of him but he IS an aging player. He could have get rid of him. It would have been the easiest thing. And Deco: I have always been quite skeptical about him and although he had some great appearances in September (winning the player of the month award) his current performance is utterly crap. He is an aging player also and we all remember what Barca said after they've sold him to us.

And yet Malouda and Kalou, two players many posters here have problems with, are surprisingly NOT aging players. OK you have to define that but at least Kalou shall not of this category. So? Age doesn't seem to be the worst problem in our squad.

And yes Scolari did hunt Robinho. Fine. He would make a good improvement I agree, watching out what he's done for City. BUT it seems to me the world broke down for Scolari after he joined City at the final day of the transfer deadline. For me this sort of transfer management isn't a shining example for his ability, but this is only my very limited view.

 
abramovich said:
I do agree that we need stability and sacking a manager after 4-5 months in charge is ludicrous and will do nothing but harm us even more.What I meant was, would you after seeing what we've all seen these last few months, still have enough faith in Scolari to spend your money on new players?

I always thought Jose was poor in the transfer market but he sure as hell could motivate the team and was a great tactician. I look at Solari's team and I see a dodgy defence leaking silly goals and a midfield that enjoys lion's share of possession without creating any chances. Then, when we concede, the team looks like a deer caught in headlights as if saying:"Well, that wasn't a part of the plan.What the f.ck do we do now?"

If Scolari can't motivate them, can't teach them how to break teams down and can't coach them to defend properly then what the hell is he actually good at?
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If the question is would I you must mean if I was the owner and if I were the owner and had the behaved how the owner has since he's been here, then answer would be yes.

I will always say if a man is given a huge Job, an agenda (to get the team playing entertaining football while winning Trophies) then he must also be given time.

I still say the opposition has improved and if you look at the rest of the so called big four their results bare that out, they are all getting found out and having trouble in games we would expect them to roll over the opposition.

I enjoy the football Scolari has had us playing but fear he is too stubborn to use the defensive style that Jose used and Grant carried on when we needed it.

Dont get me wrong, I am essentially a style before glory fan and I really like to see good attacking football even at the risk of silverware. I do realise though that to win silverware you need a mix of both,

Until Phil either learns to adopt something close to the stifle style we used to play as an alternative or he gets the player(s) that he thinks will be the key to playing his style and blowing everyone away we are going to be held by a lot of teams.

I still prefer the thought of giving him what he wants and trusting his judgement to the alternative where we all wonder who is coming in next and throw in the odd name without actually having any idea if they could do a bettter Job but safe in the knowledge they will cause another upheavel in the backroom staff, the players and the training methods which could put us back another year.

 
I'm not gonna slag Scolari off, its the players job to win the matches and not the managers. Whatever team Scolari chooses should be able to beat most teams week in week out

 
Something is very wrong right now.

i'm sure the squad he has right now is as good as any he has worked with.

either that or the team is not as good as what were making out. and he's doing the best he can.

 
I say we judge this thread after January.

If he doesn't bring anyone in, THEN we question him.

If he brings someone in and they're Malouda esque, THEN we question him.

If he brings someone in and they turn out to be the superstar of the last 2000 years, THEN we thank him!

Something I've realised after watching the game. All season, everyone's complaining we haven't got a Plan B. Now, with Drogba back, we sort of do. We used it today, and it only half worked. Anyone got a Plan C?

 
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