Alisson Becker
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Hanzen
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The market dictates the price. Agreed - he shouldn't be £70M - just as Butland shouldn't be anywhere near £30M. City 'only' paid around €40M for Ederson last summer - and to be fair he's the second choice behind Alisson for Brazil - but still. I'd say that they're pretty much at the same level - given what I've seen.
However I think we should give Alisson the benefit of a doubt. As Robert Negrisolo said:
"I don't think many people have realised who Alisson is. The guy is a phenomenon. He's the number one of number ones. He is the Messi of Goalkeepers."
Furthermore, if we're looking at the higest save percentage in the big five leagues last season, Alisson was in 4th highest with 79.7 % - only beaten be De Gea, Ter Stegen and Oblak.
Not saying he's definately worth the money - but there is a pretty clear cut reason that he's priced at the value he is. If we can get around £60M for Courtois, I'll take it any day of the week.
ForeverCarefree
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Plenty of rumour about this one, reports suggesting Courtois will be sold to Real Madrid and Alisson is already lined up to replace him.
Seems odd to invest so heavily on 'keeper in my opinion when we seem so reluctant to invest similar fees on outfield players.
Seems odd to invest so heavily on 'keeper in my opinion when we seem so reluctant to invest similar fees on outfield players.
Michael
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Hanzen
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That's a tough one. The right midfielder can control and run the game, while the right keeper kan save a game (or points, as a minimum).
2 seasons ago, Zappacosta had the 2nd highest crossing percentage in Serie A and I was fooled then. Still reserving my judgment on him.
ForeverCarefree
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I see your argument and raise you selling Matic and buying Bakayoko.
The midfield, is literally central to everything going on... A quality midfielder is worth their weight in gold.
Although you need a solid goalkeeper I would argue that the position and fullback is the two least important (if there is such a thing) roles in the team.
That said, you're not going to want to downgrade on the quality of your goalkeeper and we've been fortunate that Chelsea have had good goalkeepers for the last 20 years almost.
I disagree. The midfield is the most important aspect of a football team. There is a reason why it's called the engine room. A grear keeper can save you 15 points but a great midfield can carry you to the title.
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Haha! Yeah, I see your point. I never really understood that transfer to be honest. Alright, he's fast, has great stamina and can deliver a decent cross from time to time. But he just doesn't look like a real Chelsea wingback to me. He don't seem like a player that would ever be expected to be the first choice nor a fan-favorite.
About the crossing percentage - that was primarily due to Belotti winning almost every single duel in the area last season.
- Fair enough, the crosses weren't bad - and Zappa does have a great technique when striking the ball - but still. The credit has to go to Belotti for improving that stat.
Sure, we needed some backup for Moses - but did the backup-plan have to cost €25M?
Really it looked like the board was thinking something like: "Well, he's italian and he can run - maybe Conte will like him then?"
I mean, there are so many other young right backs, that the club could have gone for... Mukiele, Odriozola, Maffeo, Eder Militao, Elvedi, Calabria - or even our very own D. Sterling. Every single one is under 23 y/o.
Either of the above would have been a way better investment in my opinion.
Well, stats will never tell the full story. Not for Zappacosta - and probably not for Alisson either. But if the transfer goes through, I genuinely hope that he'll prove all the doubters wrong.
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I disagree. A keeper could be called on once or twice a game, a midfielder is being called on for 90 minutes of everything game. Without a midfielder, the team doesn't work.
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That once or twice a game is more valuable though isn't it? You can work all game in midfield and be 8/10 without giving up a chance or scoring and who knows if you've won or lost. A GK who puts in a top level performance like that can directly win or save his team points.
Mids can definitely influence the flow of the match but ultimately I think the gk position does more to determine results. We've seen Kante be his usual self and we still drop points. It's not his fault mind you but it's more of a collective effort than GKing.
Theres a point where your GK only needs to be so good, Real for example have a very good but not great keeper and they've won a few CL trophies with him. Compare that to Karius in the final and you have a great example of poor GKing losing matches. Do Liverpool concede 2 of those 3 if they have a class GK?
I have this argument with my football friends. I'd take a great keeper and average MF over a great MF and average keeper any day.
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I would argue the fact a keeper will only be called on once or twice proves how important it is to get the right one. Top keepers at clubs like ours spend 85% of the game twiddling their thumbs, the reason they are the best is because they can maintain concentration for that one important moment where they are called upon. Theres a real dearth of top quality keepers around at the moment, getting one is a must if you want to win the top trophies.
The only argument I have for that specific example would be, Liverpool's midfield wasn't great tbh. They were carved by Real's midfield like a Christmas turkey. I'd say the best last man is a GK.
Of course, the right answer would always be you need both to win titles. Anything less is just par for the course.
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The point is, take a keeper from a lower end team in the league, he still pulls off brilliant saves and keeps his team in games, now vs Tibo, I mean the gulf in what they actually do is very limited in the bigger picture, and PL even Championship goalie will go basically the same job give or take playing out and distribution, now take a lower end midfield vs cities and you'll see how much the gulf in performance is between a good and a poor midfield. On another note I really don't like Tibo his heart has never seemed in it, I'd be very happy for him to go, he is a Diva and the constant Real rumours are disruptive, and I used to rate him, I think he has filed to meet the potential he showed at Athletico
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Massive step up to go in the first team squad. he ain’t even the u21 keeper that lad we signed from Barca is