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Joško Gvardiol

Clearly he is interested, we should make this a priority. Him, Colwill, Fofana and Chalobah sets us up for a long, long time at CB.

 
Scott Harris said:
At this moment, but not so much going forward.

Silva will likely leave at the end of the season. His original reasons for joining us was to win the Champions League and play for Brazil in one more world cup, he's done both now. I wouldn't be surprised if he returns to Brazil to finish his career, like he intended to do. I'm all for keeping him here if he wants to stay, but I can't see it happening.

I don't rate Koulibaly. I think his legs have gone and he is a disaster up against players that are nimble. He will need replacing much sooner than we would have liked. If we bring in Gvardiol, I wouldn't even be bothered if he was sold before next season starts, even more so if Colwill is as good as everybody is saying he is.

Fofana still has everything to prove for me, I don't even rate him higher than Chalobah right now. He may have a higher ceiling than Chalobah, but at this moment, he's still all potential.

Cucurella has been terrible at CB, I don't want him playing there anymore to be honest and James should be playing every game RB/WB.

Fofana, Gvardiol, Chalobah, Colwill. There is great potential in that.
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Let's say we play back 5

Colwill - Fofana - Chalo

Cucu - koula - Reece 

I put Reece there because if you play Reece as rwb for whole season, he will get injured again. 

Cucu is much better as lcb than lwb. 

Back 4

Colwill - Fofanan

Chalo - Koula

Even if you don't rate koula, for 4th CB he is more than good enough. Playing CB is not taxing. Unless you are injured you can play all the time. 

Rather than spending money on Gvardiol, spend the money on proper midfield and you will suddenly think everyone looks better. 

 
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Bob stark said:
Rather than spending money on Gvardiol, spend the money on proper midfield and you will suddenly think everyone looks better. 
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You wouldn't rule out both though would you Bob? I certainly agree that upgrading our midfield upgrades the entire team, but I really like Gvardiol, who doesn't? 🙂 If we can get him, then doing so is a priority for me. Indeed, based on a comment by a BBC commentator a couple of months ago, I'm clinging to the hope that Gvardiol to Chelsea may already be done.

Bob stark said:
Cucu is much better as lcb than lwb. 
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Then that is a big problem since, in my opinion anyway, he hasn't been great at either.

 
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OhForAGreavsie said:
You wouldn't rule out both though would you Bob? I certainly agree that upgrading our midfield upgrades the entire team, but I really like Gvardiol, who doesn't? 🙂 If we can get him, then doing so is a priority for me. Indeed, based on a comment by a BBC commentator a couple of months ago, I'm clinging to the hope that Gvardiol to Chelsea may already be done.

Then that is a big problem since, in my opinion anyway, he hasn't been great at either.
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I watch Gvardiol only twice in this wc and he looks very good. But our CB are fine, it will be at most minor improvement. 

Everyone will say that Silva has been our best signing which I completely agree with but the improvements from Chris to Silva is very minor. When Silva was injured for a while, I don't feel much different when Chris was playing. 

Then you compare it to the improvement from Kepa to mendy in mendy first season. It is not even close. Yes mendy has been awol since last season but in his first season, it change our team completely. We are talking about mendy here not cech or cortouis. 

If we keep doing this minor improvement on one position every season, we will go nowhere as a team. 

About cucu, yes he hasn't look good in either. But his profile is quite similar to azpi who is another rb/RCB type of player rather than a rwb

 
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axman2526 said:
Clearly he is interested, we should make this a priority. Him, Colwill, Fofana and Chalobah sets us up for a long, long time at CB.
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Sounds good, but then I remember I used to say the same thing about the "new young guns" Pulisic, CHO and so on...

But either way once our key players leave, meaning Thiago Silva, Kante, Jorginho... We won't be the same team anymore and then anyone that can help out the injury prone Fofana and an older Koulibaly is welcomed.

 
Gol15 said:
Sounds good, but then I remember I used to say the same thing about the "new young guns" Pulisic, CHO and so on...

But either way once our key players leave, meaning Thiago Silva, Kante, Jorginho... We won't be the same team anymore and then anyone that can help out the injury prone Fofana and an older Koulibaly is welcomed.
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Croatia has produced some pretty good center backs but nobody close to this kid. He plays like he’s in his prime already. He made so many key interventions against Belgium then carry’s the ball forward like a attacking mid.

 
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Bob stark said:
I watch Gvardiol only twice in this wc and he looks very good. But our CB are fine, it will be at most minor improvement. 

Everyone will say that Silva has been our best signing which I completely agree with but the improvements from Chris to Silva is very minor. When Silva was injured for a while, I don't feel much different when Chris was playing. 

Then you compare it to the improvement from Kepa to mendy in mendy first season. It is not even close. Yes mendy has been awol since last season but in his first season, it change our team completely. We are talking about mendy here not cech or cortouis. 

If we keep doing this minor improvement on one position every season, we will go nowhere as a team. 

About cucu, yes he hasn't look good in either. But his profile is quite similar to azpi who is another rb/RCB type of player rather than a rwb
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I am not sure on what basis you're saying this. Fofana has been injured, Koulibaly has looked a bomb scare in a number of matches, Cucurella looks significantly overpriced at the moment. Azpilicueta too old, Chilwell injured, Chilwell injured. Silva has been great but the end of thecroad is near now. Only Chalobah has delivered consistently and also shows promise for the future.

I agree we desperately need some quality in the midfield but absolutely we should go for Gvardiol if he is available. 

 
A centre back quartet of Fofana, Chalobah, Gvardiol and Colwill could be good for a decade after Silva has retired, and that's without any consideration for Koulibaly as well ...

 
WhiteWall said:
Looked at that Fabrizio Romano twitter page. This is bollox as he has the identical tweet with Real Madrid instead of Chelsea. References Modric instead of Kovacic but it's identical.  Usual PR BS
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It always amazes me how people fall for the garbage chances like him post.

 
WhiteWall said:
I am not sure on what basis you're saying this. Fofana has been injured, Koulibaly has looked a bomb scare in a number of matches, Cucurella looks significantly overpriced at the moment. Azpilicueta too old, Chilwell injured, Chilwell injured. Silva has been great but the end of thecroad is near now. Only Chalobah has delivered consistently and also shows promise for the future.

I agree we desperately need some quality in the midfield but absolutely we should go for Gvardiol if he is available. 
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Because they are fine. 

This is without silva

Colwill - Fofana

Koula - Chalo

Signing another CB really does not move the needle. 

 
Bob stark said:
Because they are fine. 

This is without silva

Colwill - Fofana

Koula - Chalo

Signing another CB really does not move the needle. 
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RCB is Fofana or Chalobah

LCB is Koulibaly or Colwill.

Injury problems aside, I doubt Colwill or Trev would be played on their "wrong" side, as you have typed it ... 

Gvardiol probably being considered in place of Colwill ; I suspect the thinking is for Colwill to have more loans, and come in once Koulibaly moves on. 

 
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Bob stark said:
Because they are fine. 

This is without silva

Colwill - Fofana

Koula - Chalo

Signing another CB really does not move the needle. 
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Colwill doesn't play for us. In fact recently Colwill doesn't play for Brighton,  so it's far too early to include him as a mainstay in a side that has cost hundreds of millions so far and therefore has to have designs on the Champions League.  Potential talent agreed. Potential. 

Fofana has already been a long term injury after signing him off the back of underlying injury issues rumours and an in depth US based medical. Potential talent agreed. Potential. 

Koulibaly clearly over the hill. Suspect pace and decision making, plus clear signs that he struggles with the intensity of this league. Oh and he's in his thirties and has already mentioned in the press that he has struggled to adapt to life in England (granted that was fairly early on). I'd be amazed if he is here in 2 years.

Chalobah has been delivering and deserves to be part of a strong, developing partnership.

Chalobah, Fofana and Gvardiol would be a decent combination with Koulibaly, if he is still around, as back up. Colwill then would have the chance to develop as he would be able to be dipped in and out selectively 

 
It is strange that a lot of people are obsessed with cb. 

Let's just use vvd. Vvd has been the best CB in PL for years. Do I wish that we have vvd instead of rudi? Nope. 

Do I wish that we have Salah/Mane instead of ziyech or puli or timo? Hell yeah. 

 
Would love this signing. Checks all the boxes for me - just tough and we need a bit of that 

 
Bob stark said:
We won UCL with torres, done drogba, werrner and kai as our fw. 
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Not sure how that is a counter argument for a solid defence to win you leagues. Surely you can see that the addition of Gvardiol can only strengthen us. I would also argue that a new keeper is also required at some point soon.

I am not disputing the fact that the entire midfield needs rebuilding and we possibly need a proper CF, but if Gvardiol is available he has to be a priority as well.

 
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