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Man City Charges

Mentally prepared for an underwhelming punishment, transfer ban wouldn’t even be a concern due to the mass spending recently, and the strength of their academy, and it would actually ‘help’ their financial position once it’s lifted anyway.

Brown envelopes galore, Andy Burnham is in bed with the City owners, all the sports washing money put into Manchester, not to even mention the economic ties with the UAE. A country should have never been able to buy a football club.

Like with the faux-celebrations last season when it seemed Spurs could go down, or the initial glee of seeing Garnacho leave (well, not me, knew they wouldn’t play him), it’ll end up back where we started.
 
Bruce knew...

"Chelsea chairman Bruce Buck has warned that Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules may be detrimental to English football.

The Blues were able to become a power in Europe after the 2003 takeover by Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich led to heavy investment on players, before FFP rules were introduced by UEFA in 2011 to curb such lavish spending.

It allowed Chelsea to end their 50-year title drought by winning the Premier League in 2005 while they won the Champions League for the first time in 2012.

"The dream in England is that if you are a supporter of a [fifth-tier] team is that someday you will win the Premier League," Buck said.

"One of the minuses [of FFP] is that dream is now over. That is not possible with Financial Fair
 
Sconnie Blue said:
Not to defend City, but this is all because of a system engineered to cement Arsenal, United, and Liverpool permanently in position.
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100%, and look who's fans are out their begging, pleading for trophies they could not win on their own.

Honestly how shameless would you have to be to take pride in "winning" a trophy in such a manner
 
The Rising Sun said:
Bruce knew...

"Chelsea chairman Bruce Buck has warned that Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules may be detrimental to English football.

The Blues were able to become a power in Europe after the 2003 takeover by Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich led to heavy investment on players, before FFP rules were introduced by UEFA in 2011 to curb such lavish spending.

It allowed Chelsea to end their 50-year title drought by winning the Premier League in 2005 while they won the Champions League for the first time in 2012.

"The dream in England is that if you are a supporter of a [fifth-tier] team is that someday you will win the Premier League," Buck said.

"One of the minuses [of FFP] is that dream is now over. That is not possible with Financial Fair
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This is true. The rules were changed to prevent this happening. But (unless they are also guilty of cheating) the rise of Wrexham shows that it is possible to climb from the 5th tier and challenge for promotion to the Prem. City appear to be guilty of saying 'stuff the rules, we don't care, we're doing things our way'. I'm not aware of any allegations against Wrexham, but nothing would surprise me.
 
Bad City, Bad City!

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Backbiter said:
This is true. The rules were changed to prevent this happening. But (unless they are also guilty of cheating) the rise of Wrexham shows that it is possible to climb from the 5th tier and challenge for promotion to the Prem. City appear to be guilty of saying 'stuff the rules, we don't care, we're doing things our way'. I'm not aware of any allegations against Wrexham, but nothing would surprise me.
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Wrexham climbed through the leagues benefiting from the lower leagues not having the same funding restrictions. Now, under the Championship's restrictions, they have stalled.
 
I am thinking about a 60 point deduction meaning they go down just slightly ahead of Spurs.
 
dermott said:
Wrexham climbed through the leagues benefiting from the lower leagues not having the same funding restrictions. Now, under the Championship's restrictions, they have stalled.
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I wouldn't say they've exactly stalled. After 3 successive promotions they missed out on the playoffs on the final day of last season. Got battered by West Ham, though.
Does the Championship have different financial rules to leagues 1 and 2? I assumed the Football League's rules applied to all 3 divisions.
 
Backbiter said:
I wouldn't say they've exactly stalled. After 3 successive promotions they missed out on the playoffs on the final day of last season. Got battered by West Ham, though.
Does the Championship have different financial rules to leagues 1 and 2? I assumed the Football League's rules applied to all 3 divisions.
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They’re different. Up until last season L1 and 2 could spend 100% of funds injected by owners. Hence Wrexham’s spending and rise. Since tightened but still less onerous than the Championship.
 
The Rising Sun said:
I wonder why the PL was completely unaware that anything was dodgy at City until a young computer hacker from Portugal leaked City's documents to a German newspaper??

All those dodgy inflated sponsorship deals etc must have had some PL scrutiny??
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They weren't unaware, they just didn't have the evidence to prove it. The leaked emails were the smoking gun that shows how CFG staff deliberately worked the rules. It was a similar situation to our 74 charges, where the PL and FA could not possibly have known about the transactions without the Cyprus Papers leaks and the self-report.

Prior to the formal Associated Party Transaction rules, clubs didn't have to seek pre-approval for associated party transactions so there was no practical mechanism for scrutiny other than self-report or formal investigation. We know that City refused to comply with the latter, and just as the FA & PL were necessarily lenient on Chelsea for self-reporting our 74 charges, the PL needs to be harsh on City to disincentivise non-compliance.

The APT rules were introduced in 2021 in response to the PIC/Saudi takeover of Newcastle. City have actually since challenged even these rules they agreed to, successfully arguing that the PL used a flawed and procedurally unfair process for assessing APTs and that the deliberate exclusion of interest-free shareholder loans from being considered an APT, while assessing cash injections from owners as APTs, was unlawful. They didn't get what they really wanted, which was the tribunal to declare the whole concept of APT rules an unlawful restraint of trade.
 
This whole Man City 115 charges thing is a complete f**king mess. You honestly have to question how the FA, with all of their resources could not have found something AT THE TIME, rather than wait for some hacker to unearth details years later (too late?). Surely all clubs have to be audited annually (or are the auditors on back-handers too?).

It's yet another example of why people are falling out love with football. The higher up you go, the more corruption there appears to be - with FIFA being the worst.

Everyone and their dog (Spot), will have an opinion about what penalties City should face and I honestly don't know how this can be righted. And the decision could still drag on for ages so meanwhile we will all carry on playing and City will aim to win this year's PL as if nothing has happened.

Think there's a lot to be said to going back to grass roots football and watching a lower league club and let this pantomime play itself out.
 
Nibs said:
Everyone and their dog (Spot), will have an opinion about what penalties City should face and I honestly don't know how this can be righted. And the decision could still drag on for ages so meanwhile we will all carry on playing and City will aim to win this year's PL as if nothing has happened.

Think there's a lot to be said to going back to grass roots football and watching a lower league club and let this pantomime play itself out.
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I was thinking the same. It's out there now and the Premier League hasn't made a single comment. City will be playing Liverpool in 2 weeks, are they going to say anything before then or just go on like nothing has happened? What if City win the league and the Premier League are still thinking about how to punish them? They need to get a move on really so everybody knows where they stand.
 
Yup, FFP wasn't a response to prevent another Chelsea, it was to bring financial stability to the Premier League wasn't it ?? So years after its implementation we get.....vvvv

Financial Struggles of Premier League Clubs
Overview of Losses
Despite the implementation of Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations, Premier League clubs continue to face significant financial challenges. In the 2024/25 season, the aggregate pre-tax losses for all 20 clubs reached £948 million. This represents a notable increase in losses compared to previous years, highlighting the ongoing financial difficulties within the league.

Key Financial Factors
The primary reasons for these losses include:

High Wage Bills: Wages and transfer/agent fees consume about 90% of total revenue for most clubs.
Transfer Market Pressures: The escalating costs associated with player transfers contribute significantly to financial strain.
Limited Profitability: Only a small number of clubs reported operating profits, with many struggling to break even.
 
yaz said:
www.premierleague.com

Premier League Statement: Manchester City FC

www.premierleague.com www.premierleague.com

Official PL statement.

Makes for a devastating read if you're a City fan.
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Inevitable.

In that time period, they recorded £500m more commercial revenue than we did. And to be clear, this is commercial revenue, not matchday, or success on the pitch. But in a period when we were in CL finals - and won one. We won the Premier League twice, we were more of a force then than now. We were not a club that was £500m behind City in revenue.

And all this despite having less than half the global fan base at any point in that time period.

That is not possible. It's never been possible. It's been a fraud that has been hidden in plain sight for years. I'm glad its finally caught up to them.
 
I think we will find that the Premier League rules are unenforceable in this situation. Given a number of issues including the number of breaches of the rules and the significance of Manchester City's impact on English Football in the recent past and going forward. These are massive financial variances.
 
bisright1 said:
Inevitable.

In that time period, they recorded £500m more commercial revenue than we did. And to be clear, this is commercial revenue, not matchday, or success on the pitch. But in a period when we were in CL finals - and won one. We won the Premier League twice, we were more of a force then than now. We were not a club that was £500m behind City in revenue.

And all this despite having less than half the global fan base at any point in that time period.

That is not possible. It's never been possible. It's been a fraud that has been hidden in plain sight for years. I'm glad its finally caught up to them.
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It had to be a fraud for them to spend the owners money on transfers just as we did before the PL put a stop to it. If the PL ever thought that it would happen before it actually did with Chelsea, they would have put regulations in place earlier, it would have prevented us winning the trophies we actually did.
I'm glad we were able to do it, and City shouldn't have been prevented from doing exactly what we did .
This mess is all the making of the PL , they've f**ked everything up just to protect the top teams from upstarts crashing into their cosy club
 
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