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JM7 said:
Going for Lavia doesn’t particularly fill me with excitement and how much of an upgrade is he? He could be an expensive but average player. 
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I rate him but as mentioned Enzo+Lavia in midfield isn't enough. Far too inexperienced and not that strong defensively. 

The fact he can also be a home grown option, and at £40m it's a good deal. 

 
Edjmendy said:
Pochettino for all his attributes hasnt won any trophies in England so who knows how long the drought could on for, years. Most  good players know this and would rather go elsewhere  where they are guaranted trophies and at least play in Europe
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This narrative always does my head in. Did you forget who he used to manage in England? It's Spurs, the perennial losers. Mourinho could not win anything with that shower of sh*te. Conte could not. Nobody can achieve something there, they are not made for trophies. They are a second hand club with a shiny stadium that Pochettino massively overachieved with and took them to heights nobody thought of before. Spurs is a nothing club and Pochettino made them relevant during his time there. The Spurs that made it to their first and surely their only CL Final and the ones that used to finish in the top four constantly under Pochettino was his creation and on a limited budget on top of that.

Had he been at Liverpool for that period and won f**k all, ok I'd agree with you. But Spurs? Come on. They are a joke club that even Guardiola would struggle there.

 
petre ispirescu said:
This narrative always does my head in. Did you forget who he used to manage in England? It's Spurs, the perennial losers. Mourinho could not win anything with that shower of sh*te. Conte could not. Nobody can achieve something there, they are not made for trophies. They are a second hand club with a shiny stadium that Pochettino massively overachieved with and took them to heights nobody thought of before. Spurs is a nothing club and Pochettino made them relevant during his time there. The Spurs that made it to their first and surely their only CL Final and the ones that used to finish in the top four constantly under Pochettino was his creation and on a limited budget on top of that.

Had he been at Liverpool for that period and won f**k all, ok I'd agree with you. But Spurs? Come on. They are a joke club that even Guardiola would struggle there.
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Ditto. Every last word.

 
petre ispirescu said:
This narrative always does my head in. Did you forget who he used to manage in England? It's Spurs, the perennial losers. Mourinho could not win anything with that shower of sh*te. Conte could not. Nobody can achieve something there, they are not made for trophies. They are a second hand club with a shiny stadium that Pochettino massively overachieved with and took them to heights nobody thought of before. Spurs is a nothing club and Pochettino made them relevant during his time there. The Spurs that made it to their first and surely their only CL Final and the ones that used to finish in the top four constantly under Pochettino was his creation and on a limited budget on top of that.

Had he been at Liverpool for that period and won f**k all, ok I'd agree with you. But Spurs? Come on. They are a joke club that even Guardiola would struggle there.
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Apparently all the Managers Levy has hired have won 62 trophies between them, 0 of them trophies where while they were at Spurs.......

 
petre ispirescu said:
This narrative always does my head in. Did you forget who he used to manage in England? It's Spurs, the perennial losers. Mourinho could not win anything with that shower of sh*te. Conte could not. Nobody can achieve something there, they are not made for trophies. They are a second hand club with a shiny stadium that Pochettino massively overachieved with and took them to heights nobody thought of before. Spurs is a nothing club and Pochettino made them relevant during his time there. The Spurs that made it to their first and surely their only CL Final and the ones that used to finish in the top four constantly under Pochettino was his creation and on a limited budget on top of that.

Had he been at Liverpool for that period and won f**k all, ok I'd agree with you. But Spurs? Come on. They are a joke club that even Guardiola would struggle there.
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Absolutely. You could argue that Pochettino did arguably the best at Spurs. He also helped improve Dele Ali. I believe Pochettino will improve players, regardless of who we sign. I think there's a bunch of talent in our squad he can get much more out of. 

 
PSG called us out for doing something obviously quite shady, so we shat ourselves and pulled the plug. 

It's not about astronomical wages. Its us yet again acting like idiots in the market. Worked okay with Mudryk, flying in, showing him a powerpoint, and whisking him off in a private jet.

But these bizarre tactics, like paying above release clause, offering 8 year contracts, buying stakes in clubs, they will not work in the long term, and it makes us look like absolute amateurs.

Not sure if I even wanted Ugarte, as I've barely seen him,but it's not exactly a strong start to the window, and doesnt fill me with any confidence for the summer.

 
dkw said:
Apparently all the Managers Levy has hired have won 62 trophies between them, 0 of them trophies where while they were at Spurs.......
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And let's hope Ange Postecoglu can continue in the same vein.

 
big blue said:
PSG called us out for doing something obviously quite shady, so we shat ourselves and pulled the plug. 

It's not about astronomical wages. Its us yet again acting like idiots in the market. Worked okay with Mudryk, flying in, showing him a powerpoint, and whisking him off in a private jet.

But these bizarre tactics, like paying above release clause, offering 8 year contracts, buying stakes in clubs, they will not work in the long term, and it makes us look like absolute amateurs.

Not sure if I even wanted Ugarte, as I've barely seen him,but it's not exactly a strong start to the window, and doesnt fill me with any confidence for the summer.
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Not implying there is something a little bit off about our ownership are you?!?

 
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So if they pay over the odds, the board is damned; if they do not pay over the odds, the board is damned as well. There are some of you that all you do is complaint about the Club and what it does or doesn’t. 

 
petre ispirescu said:
This narrative always does my head in. Did you forget who he used to manage in England? It's Spurs, the perennial losers. Mourinho could not win anything with that shower of sh*te. Conte could not. Nobody can achieve something there, they are not made for trophies. They are a second hand club with a shiny stadium that Pochettino massively overachieved with and took them to heights nobody thought of before. Spurs is a nothing club and Pochettino made them relevant during his time there. The Spurs that made it to their first and surely their only CL Final and the ones that used to finish in the top four constantly under Pochettino was his creation and on a limited budget on top of that.

Had he been at Liverpool for that period and won f**k all, ok I'd agree with you. But Spurs? Come on. They are a joke club that even Guardiola would struggle there.
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He managed Southampton before or? 

 
So apparently PSG will only start paying for the player from next year and in 5 instalments. I never get why why clubs agree to these deals. How does this benefit Sporting with them having it spread over many years? I would be asking for a lump sum first then pay rest in instalments. I am not a businessman but just doesn't add up to me.

 
petre ispirescu said:
This narrative always does my head in. Did you forget who he used to manage in England? It's Spurs, the perennial losers. Mourinho could not win anything with that shower of sh*te. Conte could not. Nobody can achieve something there, they are not made for trophies. They are a second hand club with a shiny stadium that Pochettino massively overachieved with and took them to heights nobody thought of before. Spurs is a nothing club and Pochettino made them relevant during his time there. The Spurs that made it to their first and surely their only CL Final and the ones that used to finish in the top four constantly under Pochettino was his creation and on a limited budget on top of that.

Had he been at Liverpool for that period and won f**k all, ok I'd agree with you. But Spurs? Come on. They are a joke club that even Guardiola would struggle there.
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Bloody annoying isn't it, I never actually gave a lot of credence to this Pochettino bottler talk even when he was at Tottenham.

I will say, his teams have performed absolutely awful in cup finals, but it's Tottenham. Getting to a CL final with that lot is a trophy within itself, who thought that could be possible. 

 
This “saga” was a nice little reminder to myself to not believe everything I read. feel like this is going to apply this summer especially given the media interest in our owners and the amount of deals we need to do

 
French media are claiming Ugarte is actually going to be paid LESS at PSG (3mill euros net) than he would have with us (3.5mill euros net) and that them finding our illegal deal of trying to buy a stake in Sporting within the deal for Ugarte saw us drop the move like a hot potato...

 
big blue said:
But these bizarre tactics, like paying above release clause, offering 8 year contracts, buying stakes in clubs, they will not work in the long term, and it makes us look like absolute amateurs..
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So getting into FFP trouble, then bigger FFP trouble, and lowering our income potential would make us look professional? 

 
axman2526 said:
French media are claiming Ugarte is actually going to be paid LESS at PSG (3mill euros net) than he would have with us (3.5mill euros net) and that them finding our illegal deal of trying to buy a stake in Sporting within the deal for Ugarte saw us drop the move like a hot potato...
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Laughable if true. 

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