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IliyaKrostin said:
I agree with Jose when he said that Matic is touching the ball too much but other comments against him just wrong. Jose was really unfair with him against Southampton, I think it's kind of disrespectful situation. But he's the boss and he decides what to do.
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Which other comments are you referring to? As far as I understood the game, it was a tactical decision to remove Matic. It has happened to Mikel more times than I could care to remember.

 
venom2011 said:
Which other comments are you referring to? As far as I understood the game, it was a tactical decision to remove Matic. It has happened to Mikel more times than I could care to remember.
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I can't remember mikel coming on and then being subbed?

Felt sorry for Matic today but he showed his class by coming off without a scene. A number of others in the same situation may have spat the dummy out.

 
turnyitb said:
I can't remember mikel coming on and then being subbed?

Felt sorry for Matic today but he showed his class by coming off without a scene. A number of others in the same situation may have spat the dummy out.
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Was today your first time watching a Chelsea game?I'm of course only teasing, but taking off your DM is standard fare when throwing caution to the wind. What I said was that this has happened to Mikel many times over the course of his career. Bringing Matic on was tactical decision, with Ramires on a yellow and the game in delicate balance. And taking him off was again a tactical decision.

 
That matic decision could send shockwave to an already messy dressing room..  whatever matic's flaw, it's not as obvious as ivanovic.. poor matic, he got mata treatment... 

 
venom2011 said:
Was today your first time watching a Chelsea game?

I'm of course only teasing, but taking off your DM is standard fare when throwing caution to the wind. What I said was that this has happened to Mikel many times over the course of his career. Bringing Matic on was tactical decision, with Ramires on a yellow and the game in delicate balance. And taking him off was again a tactical decision.
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Why did you ask me that? Has he been then?

Yes we took off our holding midfielder but hardly threw caution to the wind because we then had Fabregas holding for the remainder of the game.

And tbh at the moment you or I could pass better than Fabregas lol

 
turnyitb said:
Why did you ask me that? Has he been then?

Yes we took off our holding midfielder but hardly threw caution to the wind because we then had Fabregas holding for the remainder of the game.

And tbh at the moment you or I could pass better than Fabregas lol
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Countless times, as I've said. Surely having Fabregas as your DM is the very definition of throwing caution to the wind?

Ha! How I wish I could pass that well...

Either way, it's very easy to be critical of Mourinho's decisions in this moment. No fan or critic is taking any risk by doing that because they simply use the result as the ultimate justification for every argument made. I find it lazy and ignorant.

Mourinho takes off Willian - boooo! What is he doing? (Willian is sick)

Mourinho takes off Matic - booo! That is disrespectful! (A tactic Mourinho himself has used countless times when chasing a game but right now some choose to have a problem with it)

It annoys me just a little... :)

 
Matic has been as bad as everyone else, but he hasn't been as bad as Ivan. I think Jose singled him out in the interview (haven't seen it but heard he digged him out on a beIn Sports interview) to support his bizarre on and off sub after some 20 minutes.

When Matic is playing his best game he rules the midfield, protects the defence so that an aging slow JT can function well and allows Fabregas to play pure creative football without really needing to defend, I feel like him not doing well is one of the biggest reasons why we concede so many and score so few.

 
Matic' passing has been very poor as of late but to single him out is beyond lunacy. He never hides and despite being short on confidence, always wears his heart on his sleeve. The guy goes crunching into tackle after tackle and seems the only one willing to shoot from distance lately.

Matic would be one of the first names on the team sheet. He just needs help in there and he's not getting that from specific players.

 
I've had a bit of time to think on the Matic sub and as hard it was on Nemanja I believe it was the right call to make. I'm working from memory here so feel free to correct me if I've got mixed up. Here's my view of events:

I've heard from one of Jose's pressers that Ramires was vomitting in the dressing room at half time and the medics told Jose he couldn't continue. Jose's forced into the sub, bringing on Matic for him.

We concede the second goal and Remy starts to warm up ready to come on, I remember thinking at the time that it would be to replace Falcao who I believe was on the floor clutching his ankle. While Remy is getting ready to come on, we concede the third.

This, to me, forced Jose's hand again. We now need two goals in what's left of the second half. There's not much point in having a defensive mid at this stage so Matic comes off and we go with two up front to chase the game. It's this sort of bold, tough decisions that Jose's renowned for and is one of the reasons we praise him so.

Now, Nemanja has every right to feel humiliated and upset with coming off just after he'd come on but Jose and his coaching staff now need to handle that situation. In the background, I do hope that they sit him down, look him in the eye and say to him 'listen, it was a tactical decision, nothing personal' and explain the reasoning to him. Although Jose saying what he did to the media hasn't helped but the message has to be different behind the scenes.

There would have been alternatives, taking off a defender and going three at the back is one of them, but things always look so much better with hindsight.

EDIT: Just found it is was Willian who was vomitting, not Ramires. Not 100% right in my assessment but the rest is still applicable!

 
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I fully understand why he subbed Matic but I still don't think it was right, especially when Matic is already low on confidence. It's bad man management and the press comments won't hep either. 

I don't even think much changed when he came off either, Fabregas took over Matic's role so it's not like we were pressing really hard. 

 
Huttsey said:
I've had a bit of time to think on the Matic sub and as hard it was on Nemanja I believe it was the right call to make. I'm working from memory here so feel free to correct me if I've got mixed up. Here's my view of events:

I've heard from one of Jose's pressers that Ramires was vomitting in the dressing room at half time and the medics told Jose he couldn't continue. Jose's forced into the sub, bringing on Matic for him.

We concede the second goal and Remy starts to warm up ready to come on, I remember thinking at the time that it would be to replace Falcao who I believe was on the floor clutching his ankle. While Remy is getting ready to come on, we concede the third.

This, to me, forced Jose's hand again. We now need two goals in what's left of the second half. There's not much point in having a defensive mid at this stage so Matic comes off and we go with two up front to chase the game. It's this sort of bold, tough decisions that Jose's renowned for and is one of the reasons we praise him so.

Now, Nemanja has every right to feel humiliated and upset with coming off just after he'd come on but Jose and his coaching staff now need to handle that situation. In the background, I do hope that they sit him down, look him in the eye and say to him 'listen, it was a tactical decision, nothing personal' and explain the reasoning to him. Although Jose saying what he did to the media hasn't helped but the message has to be different behind the scenes.

There would have been alternatives, taking off a defender and going three at the back is one of them, but things always look so much better with hindsight.

EDIT: Just found it is was Willian who was vomitting, not Ramires. Not 100% right in my assessment but the rest is still applicable!
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When asked about the sub, he didn't mention about tactical decision but instead he said of how poor matic was as to indicate that's the reason why he was taken off then came on the next question (albeit after some other questions) the terry performance and jose said he doesn't discuss individual performance, totally forgetting he already did with matic.. 

Now after such media presser, do ya think the player would just buy his sweettalking just because of it's being delivered with eye contact in close range? Hindsight is indeed wonderful.. 

It's been a mess on and off the pitch and it shows no sign things would get better by the look of it.. 

 
That was very stupid. Only Willian, Zouma and Dave are better than Nemanja this season. I dont say he is at good level, I'm just try to explain he is one of the fifth the best. Even that happened with Ivanovic, who completely deserves it, I wouldnt agree. Very, very pathetic.

 
Matic at his best is the best DM in the world, his performances this year highlights how good he was last season that he (along with JT) was able to cover the liability playing alongside him and still perform excellently. IMO, Fabregas is not a Chelsea player, never was. I always thought he was overrated but didn't realize how limited he actually is, even when talking about the few months period he was decent in a Chelsea shirt, I remember games against Swansea and Everton where he was dominated in midfield and looked clueless to what and where he needs to be or just completely invisible. He shouldn't and couldn't start for any top team long term. What annoys me is how our actual world class midfielder in Matic, a player who can in 5 years be on the list as one of our best ever midfielders, is paying the price of not doing the job of three players.

I'm not talking about yesterday specifically because that game he should have been on the pitch from the start alongside Ramires, in general, Matic deserves better than Fabregas, simple as that. He deserves a midfield partner who cares and sacrifices like him, for me that should be first priority to get the team back to the top. Jose basically hinted that he's only playing Fabregas because he thinks "he can cope with the pressure", my only hope is that we can replace him with a player who can cope and be useful at the same time.

 
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