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I think it is vital for club owners to take a stance on it because it is within every bodies interest to see a fairly officiated match every week! I mean, there will always be personal error on occasion because nothing will ever be perfect.

But not to the level of disgrace displayed in this seasons officiating. No way on earth should there be such consistently sh*t officiating.

 
So with the indisputable evidence now that the penalty was a shockingly bad decision, when will Mike Riley be phoning Jose to apologise?

 
Zeta Orionis said:
So with the indisputable evidence now that the penalty was a shockingly bad decision, when will Mike Riley be phoning Jose to apologise?
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Despite showing the incident from the angle from behind, Shearer and Hansen were adamant that it's as clear a penalty as you could ever see so probably never.

 
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So with the indisputable evidence now that the penalty was a shockingly bad decision, when will Mike Riley be phoning Jose to apologise?
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Probably never. He is a cowardly little cretin. I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Was so annoying watching the Arsenal and Everton matches on Sky Sports with my bro earlier, watching the pundits and commentators still carrying on like the penalty was genuine. Then Alan Shearer on MOTD last night. I usually like him, but even he was dead set against us all of a sudden.

One point me and my brother touched on earlier was that since players can be banned retrospectively, penalties should also be able to be reviewed and retrospectively disallowed, points reallocated and player bans/fines dished out where necessary.

This would stop diving big time.

 
Impsosible to enforce. Where would it end? What if a free kick wrongly awarded lead to a goal? or a throw in? Or anything in the game? Woulnjd't hapen.

 
Agreed to an extent, but free kicks arent really the same as penalties. Penalties are almost a guaranteed goal most of the time. At the very least, confirmed dives should be punished retrospectively.

 
One point me and my brother touched on earlier was that since players can be banned retrospectively, penalties should also be able to be reviewed and retrospectively disallowed, points reallocated and player bans/fines dished out where necessary.

This would stop diving big time.
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100% agree on video review being used to retrospectively punish divers AND the dirty tacklers who encourage the diving culture.

The second part is a bit nonsense if I'm to be honest. Football is played on a field not via video review. A penalty is only ever the defining moment of a match if your team is unable to outscore in the other 89 minutes available.

 
Bez said:
You laugh but this is the linesman that flagged for the penalty.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jake-collin/35/659/560

Jake Collin who works for Liverpool City Council, you can't make this sh*t up.
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Nearly fel off my chair when I saw this. I know JC, not as a mate or anything like that, but well enough.

I've seen loads of dubious refereeing decisions over the years, but have never suspected bias.

if you were in a very decently paid job that you love, that takes you around Europe officiating some of Europes top teams, as he is, would you seriously risk it for the sake of maybe giving an advantage to something or someone that you had a potential conflict of interest with? Some people might but they would have to be particuralrly stupid.

I would have expected that when someone registers as a referee or assistant ref they would have to declare any interests in any team. Then it would be up to the FA to make sure they weren't placed in fixtures that were potentially going to have an impact on teams they were in direct competition with.

Having seen the pen from loads of angles I think it was one. The fans right in front of the incident didn't seem to react in a way that I would have thought if someone had just played for a pen. Also, the defenders reaction looked to me like he knew what he'd just done.

As for the officials they have a split second to decide, from one split-second human eye view, whereas the media can pull it apart from multiple angles, and all of them that I've heard thought it was a pen.

 
I absolutely agree with using video evidence to retrospectively punish players.

The trouble with the use of video replays during matches, however, is that a lot of decisions in football are subjective. It's not like rugby or cricket where it's a simple matter of was the ball over the line or not, or was the batsman in or out. Going to a replay is just submitting it to another official's subjective opinion. In football it can only really be used for goal line incidents, and let's face they occur maybe five times a season at most.

 
True but if the other team wins by an incorrectly given penalty decision in the dying embers of the match like yesterday, then clearly that screws the other team out of points. Especially in yesterdays instance where it has possibly cost us the title and given Sunderland an unfair two extra points in the relegation zone.

Imagine if they stay up by two points and another team goes down because of some stupid penalty decision in a game they were nothing to do with? There are multiple implications in this instance.

 
Never a penalty the two players slipped but the fact is chelsea where sh*t yesterday simple as that. No ideas again.

 
I would like to see video used, but who would be making the final call? Would it be down to one man sat in front of a screen, or say three a panel of three.

This creates problems in itself, as you can see on MOTD that there are occasions when the pundits disagree on decisions, and that's after multiple views.

Seems to work OK in rugby as far as people I work with are concerned, but football is ran by people that are far too arrogant to think that they could learn something from that game.

 
i have to admit that i did think it was a penalty. and i also wasnt convinced that the ramires one wasnt just good defending. the terry goal however should definitely have stood. overall, we have to blame ourselves not the ref

 
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i have to admit that i did think it was a penalty. and i also wasnt convinced that the ramires one wasnt just good defending. the terry goal however should definitely have stood. overall, we have to blame ourselves not the ref
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Why? If the ref had made the correct decisions, the score would have been 3-1 to us, assuming he doesn't even give a red to Larsson or 2-1 if the penalty is missed.

Getting the points despite playing poorly and grinding out wins, isn't that what champions are meant to be?

 
No way was it a pen. Both players skidded into one another after both losing their balance.

Mike Dean was clearly not interested in either of our penalty shouts, yet he was positioned better to see those than he was to see the Sunderland one.

Fact of the matter is, no matter what our lads did yesterday, the officials came in with one objective and it was completed. It was daylight robbery at the bridge.

Yeah we were sh*t, but there is only so much you can do when the calls sit against you in a game. I'm sure that even if we did score again, Dean would have found a reason to disallow it.

 
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No way was it a pen. Both players skidded into one another after both losing their balance.

Mike Dean was clearly not interested in either of our penalty shouts, yet he was positioned better to see those than he was to see the Sunderland one.

Fact of the matter is, no matter what our lads did yesterday, the officials came in with one objective and it was completed. It was daylight robbery at the bridge.

Yeah we were sh*t, but there is only so much you can do when the calls sit against you in a game. I'm sure that even if we did score again, Dean would have found a reason to disallow it.
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If you believe the ref was against you, how do you view his dealing with the Ramires incident, that would normally have meant a red card in any game, which happened a couple of yards in front of him? If he had been set against you wouldn't he have jumped at the chance to give a red card that was gift wrapped with a bow tie?

 
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If you believe the ref was against you, how do you view his dealing with the Ramires incident, that would normally have meant a red card in any game, which happened a couple of yards in front of him? If he had been set against you wouldn't he have jumped at the chance to give a red card that was gift wrapped with a bow tie?
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Dean was ball watching and completely missed it, even though it happened in front of him. I'm sure he would of jumped at the chance of showing us a red card.

He also missed the penalty we should have had when Ramires was taken out 6 yards from goal just moments before.

 
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coco said:
Dean was ball watching and completely missed it, even though it happened in front of him. I'm sure he would of jumped at the chance of showing us a red card.

He also missed the penalty we should have had when Ramires was taken out 6 yards from goal just moments before.
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I still think if he had an agenda against you he would have taken the opportunity of the other lad going down holding his face, bit of a drama queen as it wasn't exactly a left hook was it, to damage you.

 
Having seen the penalty incident, (the only thing of the match I have seen) it's not a penalty, but likewise it's not the Sunderland lads fault either. Blaming him is bang out of line.

 
Exactly, Dean didn't see the Ramires incident and I am sure he would have been more than happy to brandish the red had he spotted it. Furthermore, Ramires will be suspended for it. Deans report is being looked at on Tuesday. So its not as if he's getting away with it.

As for blaming the Sunderland player, yes I do blame him. He could have been a man about it and stood up immediately because it wasn't a hard contact at all. But no. He pulled a Suarez and just layed there with his arms extended looking for a penalty. So no, its not bang out of order for blaming him for acting like a little fairy.

 
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