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I bought a PS3 a few months back to play FIFA and bought a bunch of games for my girlfriend to play. I got all of the Assassin's Creed games, all of the Uncharted games, Oblivion and a few more. She has played Oblivion heaps 'cause she loved Skyrim on PC, but has hardly even looked at the others. However, she still spends hours playing Nintendo64 - Banjo Kazooie, Pokemon Snap, Yoshi, Goldeneye etc.
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The consoles may be similar in terms of power, but architecturally they couldn't be more different. The PS3 cell architecture is why so many developers hate working on the console and most games perform worse on the PS3 even though based purely on specs you'd probably expect it to look slightly better. The 360 is so much more straightforward, it's just like developing for a less powerful PC. This familiarity allows developers to push the 360 to its limits in terms of graphical fidelity.
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If rumour is to be believed, the PS4 will be cheaper than the Xbox 720.
The PS4 will also abandon the traditional dualshock controller used for the last 16 years and may integrate a LCD Touchscreen similar to that found on the PS Vita.
(I'm on Playstation for what it is worth, been playing them since the PS1 so a good 15 years I've played them).
The PS4 will also abandon the traditional dualshock controller used for the last 16 years and may integrate a LCD Touchscreen similar to that found on the PS Vita.
(I'm on Playstation for what it is worth, been playing them since the PS1 so a good 15 years I've played them).
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Expecting the new xbox dashboard to be just like windows 8 in a way, really like that design on my phone and the current x360 dash is pretty similar.
Skype is the best thing yet I've seen so far though, will be great to use that as voice chat and should improve the quality a lot. Don't expect any changes controller wise though, maybe some slight tweaks but overall its way too popular for them to f**k about with it.
If PS4 went with the whole touchscreen thing I think they will have shot themselves in the foot, cant see that being popular with gamers who play console? massive screen in the middle + more technical problems to worry about.
Right now I can controll my whole xbox with my Lumia 920 via the smartglass app, could be an option for PS as well.
7 years now since this generations consoles came out, will be fun to see the new ones at E3 finally - but im going with the xbox again!
Skype is the best thing yet I've seen so far though, will be great to use that as voice chat and should improve the quality a lot. Don't expect any changes controller wise though, maybe some slight tweaks but overall its way too popular for them to f**k about with it.
If PS4 went with the whole touchscreen thing I think they will have shot themselves in the foot, cant see that being popular with gamers who play console? massive screen in the middle + more technical problems to worry about.
Right now I can controll my whole xbox with my Lumia 920 via the smartglass app, could be an option for PS as well.
7 years now since this generations consoles came out, will be fun to see the new ones at E3 finally - but im going with the xbox again!
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If they go touchscreen I won't buy it, I don't like touchscreen. I finally gave in and bought one of these smartphones a few months ago and it's annoying and difficult to use.
Also I bought Fifa 13 and a new PS3 since mine was broken..what a waste that was. Fifa 13 is sh*t and broken. I did one season of a career okay, now the 2nd season is broken, every time you do the training things between matches it doesn't use my pro anymore, but uses some random guy and then in the matches the ball is invisible. Probably going to sell it back to GAME.
Also I bought Fifa 13 and a new PS3 since mine was broken..what a waste that was. Fifa 13 is sh*t and broken. I did one season of a career okay, now the 2nd season is broken, every time you do the training things between matches it doesn't use my pro anymore, but uses some random guy and then in the matches the ball is invisible. Probably going to sell it back to GAME.
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Heres the Xbox: All just rumours so far as we know but they look like the real deal.
CPU:
- x64 Architecture
- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)
- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache
- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache
- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources
- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock
GPU:
- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor
- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads
- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle
- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second
High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present
Storage and Memory:
- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)
- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)
- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM
are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.
- Hard drive is always present
- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive
Networking:
- Gigabit Ethernet
- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct
Hardware Accelerators:
- Move engines
- Image, video, and audio codecs
- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware
- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing
Playstation 4:
LIVERPOOL SOC
Custom implementation of AMD Fusion APU Arquitecture (Accelerated Processing Unit)
Provides good performance with low power consumtion
Integrated CPU and GPU
Considerably bigger and more powerful than AMD’s other APUs
PU:
Orbis contains eight Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz, arranged as two “clusters”
Each cluster contains 4 cores and a shared 2MB L2 cache
256-bit SIMD operations, 128-bit SIMD ALU
SSE up to SSE4, as well as Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)
One hardware thread per core
Decodes, executes and retires at up to two intructions/cycle
Out of order execution
Per-core dedicated L1-I and L1-D cache (32Kb each)
Two pipes per core yield 12,8 GFlops performance
102.4 GFlops for system
GPU:
GPU is based on AMD’s “R10XX” (Southern Islands) architecture
DirectX 11.1+ feature set
Liverpool is an enhanced version of the architecture
18 Compute Units (CUs)
Hardware balanced at 14 CUs
Shared 512 KB of read/write L2 cache
800 Mhz
1.843 Tflops, 922 GigaOps/s
Dual shader engines
18 texture units
8 Render backends
UPDATE: some people is confused about the GPU, here you have more info about it:
Each CU contains dedicated:
- ALU (32 64-bit operations per cycle)
- Texture Unit
- L1 data cache
- Local data share (LDS)
About 14 + 4 balance:
- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute
- Minor boost if used for rendering
Dual Shader Engines:
- 1.6 billion triangles/s, 1.6 billion vertices/s
18 Texture units
- 56 billion bilinear texture reads/s
- Can utilize full memory bandwith
8 Render backends:
- 32 color ops/cycle
- 128 depth ops/cycle
- Can utilize full memory bandwith
Memory:
4 GB unified system memory, 176 GB/s
3.5 available to games (estimate)
Storage:
- High speed Blu-ray drive
single layer (25 GB) or dual layer (50 GB) discs
Partial constant angular velocity (PCAV)
Outer half of disc 6x (27 MB/s)
Inner half varies, 3.3x to 6x
- Internal mass storage
One SKU at launch: 500 GB HDD
There may also be a Flash drive SKU in the future
Networking:
1 Gb/s Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n WIFI, and Bluetooth
Heres the source for the xbox + more info: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509269
And heres the PS4 one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510373
CPU:
- x64 Architecture
- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)
- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache
- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache
- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources
- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock
GPU:
- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor
- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads
- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle
- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second
High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present
Storage and Memory:
- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)
- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)
- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM
are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.
- Hard drive is always present
- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive
Networking:
- Gigabit Ethernet
- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct
Hardware Accelerators:
- Move engines
- Image, video, and audio codecs
- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware
- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing
Playstation 4:
LIVERPOOL SOC
Custom implementation of AMD Fusion APU Arquitecture (Accelerated Processing Unit)
Provides good performance with low power consumtion
Integrated CPU and GPU
Considerably bigger and more powerful than AMD’s other APUs
PU:
Orbis contains eight Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz, arranged as two “clusters”
Each cluster contains 4 cores and a shared 2MB L2 cache
256-bit SIMD operations, 128-bit SIMD ALU
SSE up to SSE4, as well as Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)
One hardware thread per core
Decodes, executes and retires at up to two intructions/cycle
Out of order execution
Per-core dedicated L1-I and L1-D cache (32Kb each)
Two pipes per core yield 12,8 GFlops performance
102.4 GFlops for system
GPU:
GPU is based on AMD’s “R10XX” (Southern Islands) architecture
DirectX 11.1+ feature set
Liverpool is an enhanced version of the architecture
18 Compute Units (CUs)
Hardware balanced at 14 CUs
Shared 512 KB of read/write L2 cache
800 Mhz
1.843 Tflops, 922 GigaOps/s
Dual shader engines
18 texture units
8 Render backends
UPDATE: some people is confused about the GPU, here you have more info about it:
Each CU contains dedicated:
- ALU (32 64-bit operations per cycle)
- Texture Unit
- L1 data cache
- Local data share (LDS)
About 14 + 4 balance:
- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute
- Minor boost if used for rendering
Dual Shader Engines:
- 1.6 billion triangles/s, 1.6 billion vertices/s
18 Texture units
- 56 billion bilinear texture reads/s
- Can utilize full memory bandwith
8 Render backends:
- 32 color ops/cycle
- 128 depth ops/cycle
- Can utilize full memory bandwith
Memory:
4 GB unified system memory, 176 GB/s
3.5 available to games (estimate)
Storage:
- High speed Blu-ray drive
single layer (25 GB) or dual layer (50 GB) discs
Partial constant angular velocity (PCAV)
Outer half of disc 6x (27 MB/s)
Inner half varies, 3.3x to 6x
- Internal mass storage
One SKU at launch: 500 GB HDD
There may also be a Flash drive SKU in the future
Networking:
1 Gb/s Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n WIFI, and Bluetooth
Heres the source for the xbox + more info: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509269
And heres the PS4 one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510373
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That'd be a mistake IMO. Windows 8 is great for your phone because the OS was fundamentally designed for touchscreens. It's perfect for that, but really fails design-wise if you aren't using one.
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I'm fuming. WTF are they playing at? I knew a spring release date was too good to be true.
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Maybe they'll release the PS4 at the same time and release the game on both platforms, that way they'll make even more money because technically they've done nothing wrong if they advertise it as PS3 and people pre-order as PS3 and then they simply make it available on PS4 as well.
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But they could have just designed it as a next gen game and released it early 2014 instead of making it for PS3 and Xbox 360, when we're so close to getting new consoles anyway. Grrr
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On the contrary, i think it will be extremely interesting. We're still going to get an insight into their separate lives. And the ability to switch between them at any given point is a great concept.
Naturally, as a player we're going to have a favourite out of the three, and perhaps sympathise with one of their plights more than the others. I can't wait.
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I'm guessing so. The whole game is meant to be bigger than San Andreas, Red Dead Redemption and GTA IV combined. That is mind-blowing! Though i expect that being able to explore the ocean takes up a lot of the scale of the game.