Our new owners- will they be good for Chelsea?

[dkw]

Of course Boehly is in the business to make money. Just realize making money and caring about the club aren't mutually exclusive. Boehly is literally trying to set up a foundation that will allow us to coup all the top talent in the world vs solely relying on the academy. 

Some of the stuff I'm reading. Jesus. 

I still think that Ronaldo stuff was utter nonsense, totally made up by either Utd friendly reporters or leaked by his agent. There has been zero evidence to support Boehly wanted to buy him.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

I still think that Ronaldo stuff was utter nonsense, totally made up by either Utd friendly reporters or leaked by his agent. There has been zero evidence to support Boehly wanted to buy him.

I too find it hard to believe after it was revealed Sterling was the 'Marquee' signing Boehly promised. 

 

[Sexyfootball]

I still think that Ronaldo stuff was utter nonsense, totally made up by either Utd friendly reporters or leaked by his agent. There has been zero evidence to support Boehly wanted to buy him.

I think most of the rods that are being used to beat Boehly with are fabricated nonsense or at best only half truths ... all the crap surrounding de Ligt, Kounde and Raphinha for starters, all of whom have been quoted as saying they are now at their dream club ... in Raphinha's case who he wanted to play for since he was 8 years old and watching Ronaldinho at Barca.

And yet apparently Boehly's fault that we didn't get any of those signings "over the line" ...  

 

[HazardousChoice]

I think most of the rods that are being used to beat Boehly with are fabricated nonsense or at best only half truths ... all the crap surrounding de Ligt, Kounde and Raphinha for starters, all of whom have been quoted as saying they are now at their dream club ... in Raphinha's case who he wanted to play for since he was 8 years old and watching Ronaldinho at Barca.

And yet apparently Boehly's fault that we didn't get any of those signings "over the line" ...  

I don't think anyone has an issue with Raphina choosing Barca over us.

People have an issue with Boehly and club publically announcing we've agreed a fee with Leeds without speaking to the player, which if we had we'd know that not only did he only want Barca but he'd agreed personal terms with them months ago.

The issue isn't that we didn't get Raphina or any of those players it's that Bohely shot his load too early and saw us publically rejected all over Europe,  it's a horrible look for the club and not one we were so eager to experience under Roman.

Can't help thinking he came into it thinking he was in the NBA and he only had to make deals with other teams rather than with the players themselves.

 

[Argo]

The issue isn't that we didn't get Raphina or any of those players it's that Bohely shot his load too early and saw us publically rejected all over Europe,  it's a horrible look for the club and not one we were so eager to experience under Roman.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

Didn't we become the butt of many jokes in 2017 due to the sheer amount of players turning us down? (AOC, VVD, Lukaku and Alex Sandro off the top of my head, the latter in particular being quite a damaging saga).

I don't disagree he's got a lot to learn in the whole though but thankfully he seems to realise that hence the pursuit of a director.

 

[HazardousChoice]

I'm not sure I agree with that.

Didn't we become the butt of many jokes in 2017 due to the sheer amount of players turning us down? (AOC, VVD, Lukaku and Alex Sandro off the top of my head, the latter in particular being quite a damaging saga).

I don't disagree he's got a lot to learn in the whole though but thankfully he seems to realise that hence the pursuit of a director.

Did Lukaku turn us down?

If I recall Correctly Lukaku wanted to come to us but his agent didn't come to the negotiating table and told him United were the only option which led to Rom firing Raiola shortly after.

2017 was a shocking window and us failing to get our main targets and then panic buying dross set us back significantly, I'd argue we haven't actually recovered from it, we've certainly not challenged for a title since.

I'm not saying we didn't have a bad window under Roman, we had many particularly once Marina came in but the club generally conducted its affairs in a much more professional and quietly competent manner.  Boehly emulating our worst window under Roman in his very first window while having a near unlimited budget isn't promising.

There's been a lot of noise from Boehly both in failing to get things done and interviews away from the club and I'm not sure it's a positive change.

Seems a lot of the positivity is linked to us getting a mythical but yet unknown director to handle everything and keep Todd away but given we've now started being Publically rejected by directors across Europe I'm not sure I feel the optimism either.

 

[WhiteWall]

Did Lukaku turn us down?

If I recall Correctly Lukaku wanted to come to us but his agent didn't come to the negotiating table and told him United were the only option which led to Rom firing Raiola shortly after.

2017 was a shocking window and us failing to get our main targets and then panic buying dross set us back significantly, I'd argue we haven't actually recovered from it, we've certainly not challenged for a title since.

I'm not saying we didn't have a bad window under Roman, we had many particularly once Marina came in but the club generally conducted its affairs in a much more professional and quietly competent manner.  Boehly emulating our worst window under Roman in his very first window while having a near unlimited budget isn't promising.

There's been a lot of noise from Boehly both in failing to get things done and interviews away from the club and I'm not sure it's a positive change.

Seems a lot of the positivity is linked to us getting a mythical but yet unknown director to handle everything and keep Todd away but given we've now started being Publically rejected by directors across Europe I'm not sure I feel the optimism either.

Does kind of make you wonder if Ratcliffe wouldn't have been the better deal. More knowledgeable and probably would have kept his cards closer to his chest.

 

[The Rising Sun]

I would say Boehly publicly claiming he wants to adopt RB's model in acquiring clubs all across the world to be our 'feeder clubs', which would then allow us to have first dibs on young talent as well as having destinations for our loan players to go and develop, is evidence enough.  He also stated he wants more investment in the academy. 

Of course actions speak louder than words, but this summer proved Boehly isn't afraid to put his money where his mouth is. 

looked up into on RBs business model, have to say you 're correcyt. It's very impressive .they develop young players in RB owned clubs all over the place. They all play the to the same system as RB Salzburg and benefit from scientific based development .

over 63% of incoming transfers are from their feeder clubs. Rarely buy anyone over 23, 

Average age of the team seems to be about 22 

Can see why we  were after Freund  shame he didn't come but happy if we follow their model. I feel a lot more confident for the future. 

cheers mate

 

[coco]

looked up into on RBs business model, have to say you 're correcyt. It's very impressive .they develop young players in RB owned clubs all over the place. They all play the to the same system as RB Salzburg and benefit from scientific based development .

over 63% of incoming transfers are from their feeder clubs. Rarely buy anyone over 23, 

Average age of the team seems to be about 22 

Can see why we  were after Freund  shame he didn't come but happy if we follow their model. I feel a lot more confident for the future. 

cheers mate

That business model is about making money not winning silverware. I want Chelsea to be successful on the pitch, i don't care about how much money we can make for our owner.

 

[Nick05]

So far we know that 3 people (Michael Edwards, Luis Campos and Christophe Fruend) have turned down the chance to become our DOF/Sports director.

I have seen it speculated that 3 more, one from RB Leipzig, one from Bayer Leverkusen and Paul Mitchell from Monaco, have also been approached and decided against joining.

On top of that the fella we hired as Commercial director has been fired one month after coming in.

This after spending near 300mill for a manager we sack 6 days later.

Is it any wonder our new owners, Todd especially, are being questioned...

So sheddenders, do you have confidence in our new owners to get things right?

The new owners have spent a huge amount of money on the squad. Dont think even Roman would've spent that much. It's been a sincere effort but at times its too much interference. Only sore point has been the sacking of Tuchel. I suppose they'll learn to draw the line at some point.  They're trying to put a system in place at par with the best run clubs for long term success. Personally speaking, I'm happy with where we're headed and the intent shown since they've taken over.

On a human level, its not possible for anyone to agree a 100% with anyone else's decisions and the same goes for the owners and the fans. 

 

[Sconnie Blue]

The new owners have spent a huge amount of money on the squad. Dont think even Roman would've spent that much. It's been a sincere effort but at times its too much interference. Only sore point has been the sacking of Tuchel. I suppose they'll learn to draw the line at some point.  They're trying to put a system in place at par with the best run clubs for long term success. Personally speaking, I'm happy with where we're headed and the intent shown since they've taken over.

On a human level, its not possible for anyone to agree a 100% with anyone else's decisions and the same goes for the owners and the fans. 

He probably did if we consider inflation. 

 

[Nick05]

He probably did if we consider inflation. 

Meant to say that Roman probably wouldn't have spent this much in this window if he were still here.

 

[Sconnie Blue]

Meant to say that Roman probably wouldn't have spent this much in this window if he were still here.

That's what I mean about inflation. We spent about £170m the 2004 summer window. That was a sh*t load of money at the time. 

Considering the inflation rate from that time grew approximately 283%, £170m in 2004 would be  £400-£500m today. 

https://theshortfuse.sbnation.com/2019/5/10/18564736/xgunners-historical-transfer-inflation-transfer-records-top-transfers

 

[The Rising Sun]

That business model is about making money not winning silverware. I want Chelsea to be successful on the pitch, i don't care about how much money we can make for our owner.

Absolutely.mate, I've said before  if we DO make money it will go out of the club to our investors..

success hasn't built up profits for the club in the last 20 years, so I don't think our investors are looking at an expensive gamble on us being successful and turning the sort of profit that will satisfy them.

I'm genuinely at a loss to understand.

all I know is, if I had their sort of money our club wouldn't be somewhere I would think I could profit from !

 

[Sconnie Blue]

So people are now upset we are trying to be self sustainable? 

 

[The Rising Sun]

So people are now upset we are trying to be self sustainable? 

I'm not, I like the business model that you pointed out to me, because I think it's good for the long term future.

I agree that ultimately it profits the owners, and I was dead against us being put under a deadline to accept an investment group as owners. I preferred Ratcliffe, I thought it would be similar to Roman, if only the guy hadn't slept thru everything only to wake up when it was a fine deal.

I don't like us being owned by profit led investors,  I hate the fact that our club , our supporters, our money is seen as a n opportunity for people with no connection to our club to make money from.

And I don't buy the myth that rich people must " know what their doing"   The same wealthy geniuses wrecked the world's finances in 2008 which we had to pay for.

And now you've gone and ruined my brief optimism !

 

[The Rising Sun]

That's what I mean about inflation. We spent about £170m the 2004 summer window. That was a sh*t load of money at the time. 

Considering the inflation rate from that time grew approximately 283%, £170m in 2004 would be  £400-£500m today. 

https://theshortfuse.sbnation.com/2019/5/10/18564736/xgunners-historical-transfer-inflation-transfer-records-top-transfers

Consider though that it was Romans money which we never had to be paid back

THIS money being spent is from the £800 million debt from loans and rolling credit which is gonna have to be repaid by our Club and us supporters

 

[Sconnie Blue]

I'm not, I like the business model that you pointed out to me, because I think it's good for the long term future.

I agree that ultimately it profits the owners, and I was dead against us being put under a deadline to accept an investment group as owners. I preferred Ratcliffe, I thought it would be similar to Roman, if only the guy hadn't slept thru everything only to wake up when it was a fine deal.

I don't like us being owned by profit led investors,  I hate the fact that our club , our supporters, our money is seen as a n opportunity for people with no connection to our club to make money from.

And I don't buy the myth that rich people must " know what their doing"   The same wealthy geniuses wrecked the world's finances in 2008 which we had to pay for.

And now you've gone and ruined my brief optimism !

You realise he owns both the LA Dodgers and LA Lakers, right? 

Success is clearly on top of Boehly's priority. Along with making this club self sufficient, which it hasn't been for years. 

 

[The Rising Sun]

You realise he owns both the LA Dodgers and LA Lakers, right? 

Success is clearly on top of Boehly's priority. Along with making this club self sufficient, which it hasn't been for years. 

Yeah. Let's hope he does the same for us . . 

 

[dkw]

You realise he owns both the LA Dodgers and LA Lakers, right? 

Success is clearly on top of Boehly's priority. Along with making this club self sufficient, which it hasn't been for years. 

I don't get all this ridiculous negativity about the new owner, based on his previous sports club ownership I don't see any reason to fear he is some kind of asset stripping monster who is only bothered about making money and doesn't care about success. Everything he has done previous has shown him to be completely the opposite of this.