Our new owners- will they be good for Chelsea?

Todd and Company

  • They will come good

    Votes: 30 61.2%
  • They don't have a clue

    Votes: 19 38.8%

  • Total voters
    49
Remember the club were playing catch up and needed to buy quickly without proper staffing and structure in place. 
That's actually kinda my point.

Look at how much Man Utd has wasted in the transfer market over the past few years and that was with full staffing and a consistent ownership structure.

How are we supposed to properly vet, research and integrate 16 new signings (https://www.transfermarkt.com/chelsea-fc/transferrekorde/verein/631/saison_id/2022) in 2 transfer windows (11 of which at minimum i'd call bought for the first team) with all this upheavel in managers, tactics, staff,  ownership and backroom staff?

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I think we will be ok, the young French defender was introduced quickly and seems to be first choice now.

I also think Felix and Mudryk will be first choice and as will be Enzo once he gets a couple of games under his belt.

 
A couple of other points (sorry).....

1. Rules in the champions league are 4 home grown nation and 4 home ground club in a squad of 25 (i think, correct me if wrong).

That means (generally) every time we bring in a non-homegrown player (which is most of them), one can't play CL football and it's similar in the EPL with 8 homegrown (nation) players in the squad. 

2. And this is the more pressing one short term. Only 3 new registrations per mid-season Champions League window.

We've signed Enzo, Mudryk, Felix, Badiashile, Madueke, Santos and (David) Fofana. Can only play 3 of them. Which  of Enzo, Mudryk, Felix and Badiashile misses out? 

 
A couple of other points (sorry).....

1. Rules in the champions league are 4 home grown nation and 4 home ground club in a squad of 25 (i think, correct me if wrong).

That means (generally) every time we bring in a non-homegrown player (which is most of them), one can't play CL football and it's similar in the EPL with 8 homegrown (nation) players in the squad. 

2. And this is the more pressing one short term. Only 3 new registrations per mid-season Champions League window.

We've signed Enzo, Mudryk, Felix, Badiashile, Madueke, Santos and (David) Fofana. Can only play 3 of them. Which  of Enzo, Mudryk, Felix and Badiashile misses out? 
Its pretty obvious that we are thinking long term on all these signings, its a window with an opportunity to get all these young players in on long term contracts, I dont think the short term was much of a worry/consideration. 

 
Maybe in a  year's time i'll look back at this  post and be eating  my word, I sure hope so because it will mean we'd have done well, but........

I am personally super frustrated with the way things have gone off-field since the take over. I'd had hoped we learnt the lesson from the early Abramovich days that turning over more than  half of the squad in a 12 month period is a bad idea and never works (in terms of efficiency and not wasting massive sums of money).

It didn't work for us under Abramovich (early days) where half our new signings were duds nor our then current  players like Petit who got completely frozen out of the first team and had little/no resale value.
It didn't work for Man City when they did it under new owners, not just the last time but the owners before that also came in with a nearly completely new squad at the time (yes they got there eventually, but they wasted so much money along the way).
It didn't work for Fulham when they replaced most of the squad when promoted to the premier league a few seasons back nor does it look like it's going to work for Nottingham Forrest this season.

What works is carefully chosen, well-picked and researched players that come in 2 maybe 3 each window (max) and offer an immediate and substantial enough upgrade to the player/s they are replacing that we can be confident they will get game time (injuries and other unforseen events permitting). 

Newcastle is the exactly example in my mind of how it can be done right. Owners spent but they went quality over quantity, only buying when the player coming in was a significan upgrade over what was already there. It meant

1. more time to do proper due diligence on incoming signings and hence better success rate with those players

2. Less players coming and going meant a more steady team where players built  and maintained familiarity better

3.  they weren't chucking half their squad on the scrap heap, ensuring limited/minimals resale value and  unecessary losses (bothj financial and FFP)

As I said at the start of the post,  if i'm wrong and most/all of these signings turn out to all be masterstrokes of brilliant scouting and big successes i'll (gladly) eat my words. It's the reason why most  people here I suspect feel a little like I do and somewhat agree with me but are probably going to say nothing right now and only complain after the fact (at the end of the season) when it's not  gone well and it's turned out we've wasted most well over half a billion pounds to not much return (should it go that  way).


Now I know what one of the  arguments against what I'm saying above is going  to be. "but Chelsea (early  Ambramoch) and Man City (after last takeover) was a success because they brute forced the transfer market" making so many signings (of any good Premier League) players that 33-50%-whatever would be successful and they'd get to Champions League and elite club status at some point. And yuo'd be right.
However, there was no (or limited) FFP back then, throwing money around with such careless abandon these days is not a  path to success unless you really do have unlimited funds (and even then, I still think the way Newcastle have gone about it has been better).

The other argument is "well it's not my money", to which i'd say sure, but if Bohley means what he says about sustainability and return  on investment, then this spending isn't  a not sustainable and would be better spent more gradually over the course of say 5 years than all in 1 followed by austerity the other 4. If we really are going to spend like this every single season from now till the end of pofessional football, then f**k it, brute force waste money all the way..........
I think you make some good points around the number of players coming in. Its hard enough to integrate 4/5 new recruits...getting us into a cohesive unit  with so many new players will be a mighty job for Graham. Not to mention what it does to the dressing room dynamic. Undoubtedly some of the new arrivals will fit in immediately whilst others will be duds. It would be interesting to run a poll at this early stage as to what category each will achieve! As @ozboy said we are a lot of players but not yet a team. I think the other interesting point will be with such long contracts will some go stale come year 3/4? 

 
I don't understand this constant need to try and find negatives with this fanbase. Virtually every fan in football would be buzzing to be in the position we're in but here some people are worrying about hypotheticals and details that don't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 
I think they did well since there has been a really big investment but they should seriously look to bring Zidane since Potter right now looks like he'll be happy driving a Ferrari like it's a Ford...

 
Really?

Which table is more important to Chelsea fans?
Which table is more important to you?

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This is just short termism, the vast majority of people are aware this is a transitional season. Obviously we should be higher, but I also know we've spent this season securing the signings of some of the most talented young players in the world. If you wanna cry about a crap season where we're preparing for the next decade then be my guest but most of our fans as well as opposition fans know we're going to be a great team once our players get together.

 
most of our fans as well as opposition fans know we're going to be a great team once our players get together.
More like when we get a proper top class manager who can organize us again. I think we could be a great side tomorrow with the right manager. 

It doesn't matter how good your individual players are when the man in charge can't make them play as a unit. It took our last manager one 1.5 hour evening session to make us a organized and coherent unit. Potter is into his sixth month at the club and just had two full weeks at Cobham with pretty much everyone except Enzo and we look dogsh*t.

 
More like when we get a proper top class manager who can organize us again. I think we could be a great side tomorrow with the right manager. 

It doesn't matter how good your individual players are when the man in charge can't make them play as a unit. It took our last manager one 1.5 hour evening session to make us a organized and coherent unit. Potter is into his sixth month at the club and just had two full weeks at Cobham with pretty much everyone except Enzo and we look dogsh*t.
Tuchel came into a club where the players were already settled and the backroom staff was settled. Potter has turned up and we've signed 18 new players with most of them coming into the first team, most of them under 22 coming into a new country/league as well as a big injury crisis. Remember Xmas 2021 when Tuchel had an injury/covid crisis? We were hopeless, we were also hopeless this season before Potter took over.
 

I'm not saying we should be where we are because we are massively underperforming but the whole Chelsea structure including the squad is totally different and changed even more in January. It's frustrating but we have to give Potter time, I can't recall a top club with so many changes within 6/7 months. We just need to have some patience.

 
More like when we get a proper top class manager who can organize us again. I think we could be a great side tomorrow with the right manager. 

It doesn't matter how good your individual players are when the man in charge can't make them play as a unit. It took our last manager one 1.5 hour evening session to make us a organized and coherent unit. Potter is into his sixth month at the club and just had two full weeks at Cobham with pretty much everyone except Enzo and we look dogsh*t.
For the first time I find myself questioning is he the right man for the job? I think the lack of improvement after having a full two weeks together bar Enzo is alarming. Last night I expected to see improvement tactically, not the finished product but something that showed we are heading in the right direction. Instead we got another insipid performance lacking in any kind of attacking nouse, we really are awful to watch at present. Given this season is in all probability now dead, we should give him till the end of the season to show he is the right man to lead us forward. 

 
Tuchel came into a club where the players were already settled and the backroom staff was settled. Potter has turned up and we've signed 18 new players with most of them coming into the first team, most of them under 22 coming into a new country/league as well as a big injury crisis. Remember Xmas 2021 when Tuchel had an injury/covid crisis? We were hopeless, we were also hopeless this season before Potter took over.
 

I'm not saying we should be where we are because we are massively underperforming but the whole Chelsea structure including the squad is totally different and changed even more in January. It's frustrating but we have to give Potter time, I can't recall a top club with so many changes within 6/7 months. We just need to have some patience.
Settled? We were in 10th when we came in and everyone thought we were years from challenging for anything, nevermind the Champions League. Rudiger, Christensen, Jorginho and others were "donkeys" and we had just been repeatedly spanked by any decent team we faced before Lampard was gone.

Tuchel had never worked with those players when he took over either. Took him one training session to make us look organized. A good manager doesn't need long at all to organize a team. Results can wary to begin with and especially when you have a bunch of new players yes. But there is no excuses for no organization and to not play as a unit.

And yes, we struggled from December until Tuchel was sacked. But if that was a struggle then we are at the bottom of the ocean right now. Because we had to adjust to injuries and sanctions and everything else and grind out results for a long time. But at least we got the results. Now we are playing sh*t football, getting ultra sh*t results and if anything we look worse the more time Potter gets with them on the training ground. He literally had two weeks to prepare for yesterday with everyone except Enzo. And we looked like that...

No excuses.

 
For the first time I find myself questioning is he the right man for the job? I think the lack of improvement after having a full two weeks together bar Enzo is alarming. Last night I expected to see improvement tactically, not the finished product but something that showed we are heading in the right direction. Instead we got another insipid performance lacking in any kind of attacking nouse, we really are awful to watch at present. Given this season is in all probability now dead, we should give him till the end of the season to show he is the right man to lead us forward. 
Pretty much sums up exactly how I feel.  Particularly after the Liverpool game where I thought we played really well and probably did enough to win that game. I keep hoping for improvement but it’s just not coming at the moment. 

As you say he had 2 full weeks after the Liverpool game, majority of the new signings and yet it was still lacklustre. I think the pressure will be cranked up on him to see some improvement given the investment and backing he had in the window. If we don’t see some improvement between now and the end of the season then I think he will probably be in trouble. 
 

 
This is just short termism
And 16 new signings in 2 transfer windows at a cost of over 600 million pounds under 2 different managers and an incomplete, new, still settling in recruit/analysis team isn't (short term thinking)? 

Unless Bohley has abandoned the whole "sustainable finance/make a return on investment" thing then this rate of spending isn't sustainable and money we waste now is NOT going to be available to make signings/renew contracts in the future.

The very definition of short term thinking....

Long term the smarter way to go about it would have been to choose signings more carefully, gone quality over quantity and spread our spending out over time rather than this feast then famine trap we've put ourselves into. 

No one wants to hear what I'm saying, we want to think that we can just sign 16 players in 6 months and have them integrate well/be successful.

But history has shown over and over and over again that making too many signings too quickly is almost never best practice. We could have gone about this much smarter and would have done better both short and long term. 

 
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Thought I would re-visit and bump this thread to see what peoples thoughts and opinions are now. Not just after last night, but the window as a whole. 

My thoughts are largely the same, I think we in good hands with the new owners and I feel as though they are clearly working towards us competing at the top of the table, and the top end of Europe too.

The first transfer window, I think the approach was a bit scattergun but at the same time appreciated that we needed to get bodies in the door. Koulibaly and Aubameyang I think we got wrong, but I am still hopeful that Cucurella and Sterling can have decent roles in this squad going forwards. Add to that Fofana as well, who when fit I think is one of the best young centre backs in the world. It's worth remembering that Boehly was doing around 90 to 100% of all the negotiations on his own at this point. 

The January Transfer window seemed a bit more structured and I think this is as a result of the structure that now exists behind the scenes. We have signed some of the best young players in the world, and also reinforced in areas that desperately needed reinforcing. What I like about the new owners is they seem to have a target and don't give up easily on them. I love Roman and everything he did for the club, but he would've likely given up trying to sign Enzo and we would've ended up with a cheaper, not as good alternative. 

I cannot fault the ambition of the new owners, particularly in the January transfer window. To do the business that we did in January is unprecedented. Normally you go into January thinking you will get 1, maybe 2 new signings. So to get 8 or 9 done and through the door is really impressive.

For Potter; it remains to be seen whether or not he is the right man or not. I am still in the camp of give him time but I think the pressure will be cranked up now, given the backing he has received this month. Given the fixtures we have over the next 10 games or so there's no reason now why we shouldn't expect to put on a decent run and challenge or potentially finish in the top 4. For that to be the case though I think we can only afford to lose a maximum of three more games if we were to finish in the top 4. Above everything though I am hoping with the new players coming in and the likes of James, Chilwell etc returning that we will pick up a bit of form, and start producing some impressive performances.  If we see an improvement between now and the end of the season, but don't finish in the top 4 then I think that is ok as well. The main thing for me is seeing that Potter can get this group playing well. If he can do that then I think that sets us up nicely for next season.

Interested to see what other's thoughts are on this. 
Do you still remain optimistic?

To me it's fairly obvious we are only sinking deeper and deeper into the abyss the longer they are here.

 
Do you still remain optimistic?

To me it's fairly obvious we are only sinking deeper and deeper into the abyss the longer they are here.
Less so than at the time of that post, but still looking at the bigger picture. I think the big thing now is they need to get the next manager right. Obviously looking like it will be Pochettino which I am ok with to be honest. But if they decide to curve us and go for a lesser unknown name, and we have a stinker next season then I think that's when I would begin to have serious doubts and concerns. I still think for the most part they invested smarter in Jan than they did in the summer, even if it was a bit overkill in terms of numbers through the door. Obviously every one in the squad has had an absolute stinker this season, but there are still quality players in there and under the right manager and the squad being cut down from 35 to 20-23 that we could get back in the top 4 next year. That being said if we finish 6th next year for example then I don't think Pochettino should be sacked after just one season, because there would inevitably be calls for that to happen.

Boehly needs to be less hands on though. We now have this team of 'football people' behind the scenes who should be trusted to run the operational side. Boehly needs to pull back in terms of going into the dressing room. After a big win, or winning a trophy - then that is fine. But every game as has been reported is too much and completely undermines the influence of whoever the manager is. From what I understand Pochettino has requested this not to happen after every game so if he is appointed be interesting to see what happens.

Boehly and co have got a lot wrong this year. If he wanted rid of Tuchel he should've either done it first thing so that Potter had a pre-season, or gave Tuchel the entirety of this season and then made a change in the summer. Sacking him when he did was 100% the wrong time to do so. Sacking Potter to give the job to Lamps was the wrong thing to do. By the time Potter was sacked, I think he probably deserved until the end of the season. Making as many signings as we did in January without getting rid of dead weights was the wrong thing to do. Even if we had signed just say Mudryk, Badiashile and Enzo in January then that would've been a decent window. So I do think they have been guilty of doing too much too fast. 

That being said, it's their first year on the job and I think there was always bound to be some teething issues. I still think there are good players in this squad, and good players that were signed in January. There's a young core to the squad now and I do think under the right guidance next year we can start to bounce back and if that's the case then most would probably be willing to write this season off - but if this trend continues and we finished 10th or lower again next year then yeah I might change my outlook. But I do think for the most part the structure and the squad is there for us to bounce back. 

Please don't take this as me blindly defending the owners as seems to happen on this forum, I can see they've got some bits wrong, but still willing for now to give them time to sort it out. 

 
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