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Should Graham Potter be sacked? (2nd poll)

With results deteoriating further, and the club sliding into mid table, should he be given the sack?

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Perhaps the owners are trying to erase player power by removing the sacking culture, so therefore no point for players to down tools when they don’t like the manager anymore.

I feel with Roman culture, the player power came and players could get the manager sacked if they wanted to. I think it’s a good idea and im still willing to give Potter a chance, yes he should be doing a lot better but I feel it will take time for players to realise he’s not getting sacked and pick up.

 
bisright1 said:
Bit disingenuous. I'd say 90% Chelsea fans felt Tuchel was in a tough place and should be given time to turn around. Now half the Chelsea fans are attacking Potter and demanding he be sacked. 

I'd be surprised if anyone saying Potter needs more time was being harsher to Tuchel. Most of the people who want to give Potter time just have a firm belief that sacking a manager every 18 months is one reason why we don't challenge for the league anymore and we need to focus on kicking out players rather than managers. That applies to both. 
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In general changing managers every 2-5 years is pretty much the norm anywhere whether it be sport or business. There are very few managers that enjoy long tenures. Ferguson, Wenger, Klopp and Pep. Those managers belong in a different class than Potter altogether 

 
Deino said:
In general changing managers every 2-5 years is pretty much the norm anywhere whether it be sport or business. There are very few managers that enjoy long tenures. Ferguson, Wenger, Klopp and Pep. Those managers belong in a different class than Potter altogether 
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The last time a manager did two full seasons here was Conte 😉 So maybe we just want to see the norm first! 

 
bisright1 said:
Bit disingenuous. I'd say 90% Chelsea fans felt Tuchel was in a tough place and should be given time to turn around. Now half the Chelsea fans are attacking Potter and demanding he be sacked. 

I'd be surprised if anyone saying Potter needs more time was being harsher to Tuchel. Most of the people who want to give Potter time just have a firm belief that sacking a manager every 18 months is one reason why we don't challenge for the league anymore and we need to focus on kicking out players rather than managers. That applies to both. 
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Tuchel never had us worried about getting bloody relegated. The situations aren't remotely similar.

 
bisright1 said:
Bit disingenuous. I'd say 90% Chelsea fans felt Tuchel was in a tough place and should be given time to turn around. Now half the Chelsea fans are attacking Potter and demanding he be sacked. 

I'd be surprised if anyone saying Potter needs more time was being harsher to Tuchel. Most of the people who want to give Potter time just have a firm belief that sacking a manager every 18 months is one reason why we don't challenge for the league anymore and we need to focus on kicking out players rather than managers. That applies to both. 
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I said Tuchel should stay because he's a proven winner and I had full trust in him at to turn things around given his record.

Potter has just had the best results of his entire English career with us, I'd rather we didn't move further towards the 28% win rate Potter had in the league at Brighton or the regular double digit runs he went on without a win

His stans constantly mention Arteta but why is Potter the next Arteta and not the next Hodgson, Moyes or Nuno? Albeit all 3 of those did better jobs at smaller clubs than Potter did at Brighton

 
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OriginalS said:
Tuchel never had us worried about getting bloody relegated. The situations aren't remotely similar.
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He got us worried about CL qualification to the knock out stages, so who's to say that we wouldn't be in the same situation with him in the PL? And I advocated for him to stay, but there were discussions in here about how much time Tuchel should be given given the results we were getting and the dire football we were playing.

I'm on the fence regarding Potter, I just don't see any good alternative to him at the moment that could come and get us winning. I'm not sure that any other coach, given the team we have at the moment, could do much different.

 
bisright1 said:
The last time a manager did two full seasons here was Conte 😉 So maybe we just want to see the norm first! 
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And waste money, time and players on a manager that can't hack it? Come on now, Potter himself can't muster the anger, rage and belief in himself to fight for his career, why do we need to give him more chances to fail? 

By end of February, he'd be having 90% of the full squad, of which he'll then chop and change some more until injuries hit and the cycle begins again. 

 
I say why change manager again unless the team is in the drop zone ? Even if we could locate a suitable candidate and if that person could get a tune out of this problematic squad the points lost now mean a fight to get any European place would be challenging. Unlike RA top 4 does not seem to be a requirement for Todd & Co. They will soon see that revenue drops sharply without CL income, but we all of us sometimes have to learn the hard way. We just have to suffer this crappy football with a lackluster manager and hope that the 'process' CFC propaganda keeps mentioning will begin to work, because so far its been an abject failure. A few wins of course would change all that - football and fans are fickle as F.

 
RMH said:
He got us worried about CL qualification to the knock out stages, so who's to say that we wouldn't be in the same situation with him in the PL? And I advocated for him to stay, but there were discussions in here about how much time Tuchel should be given given the results we were getting and the dire football we were playing.

I'm on the fence regarding Potter, I just don't see any good alternative to him at the moment that could come and get us winning. I'm not sure that any other coach, given the team we have at the moment, could do much different.
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Because it's Tuchel, even in the worst run last year, we still had a dog in the fight. Almost 20 games under Potter and everyone has lost spirit.  

If 1 or 2 players can't hack it, that's at least understandable. Nobody is playing for him. He had to hold a "meeting" between senior players of which shouldn't really be here next year anyway. It's beyond pathetic how we cling to incompetency for the sake of "2 year project"

 
Rather than consider should he be sacked im looking at it from a very slightly different angle

what are the reasons for keeping him on?

1.The Owner would be admitting recruitment failure if he let him go and would prove not to be a man of his word having recruited him for the long term.

2.Continuity.

My list isnt that long, but what i do feel is Potter seems like Hodgson - can do it abroad or at a small club but Hodgson couldnt do it at Liverpool. Potter hasnt yet at Chelsea

Re the famous old line " Give him more time" - why, i personally dont see any examples of green shoots in anything he does.

For me he will never make it at Chelsea*, the job is too big for him but i suspect he will get a fair amount of time to prove that beyond doubt. Oh and in most things you need some luck, he certainly hasnt got much of that with injuries, loan players get banned for three games and so on.

*i could be tempted to show my a** at the Britannia Gate if he does!🙂

 
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General said:
A few wins of course would change all that - football and fans are fickle as F.
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Football is imo a game of momentum, you want to keep that momentum of winning going and stop any momentum of failing from gaining traction. The more Potter allows bad performances and defeats, the more negativity compounds

 
Deino said:
Because it's Tuchel, even in the worst run last year, we still had a dog in the fight. Almost 20 games under Potter and everyone has lost spirit.  

If 1 or 2 players can't hack it, that's at least understandable. Nobody is playing for him. He had to hold a "meeting" between senior players of which shouldn't really be here next year anyway. It's beyond pathetic how we cling to incompetency for the sake of "2 year project"
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Potter had that meeting so he can shed himself of responsibility. He doesn't have the ego or the ambition to be a top manager. Should have never been appointed in the first place, but it's too late now.

It's all on Boehly though, and the situation will get worse as long as he's a big part of the club. We look like a joke.

 
OriginalS said:
Tuchel never had us worried about getting bloody relegated. The situations aren't remotely similar.
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I was responding to someone implying that "Potter stans" were somehow negative on Tuchel and there's a double standard happening. I don't think they are similar and I think that 90% of Chelsea fans wanted to keep Tuchel and only 50% want to keep Potter. 

Deino said:
And waste money, time and players on a manager that can't hack it? Come on now, Potter himself can't muster the anger, rage and belief in himself to fight for his career, why do we need to give him more chances to fail? 

By end of February, he'd be having 90% of the full squad, of which he'll then chop and change some more until injuries hit and the cycle begins again. 
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Well my personal view is that the football world and the Chelsea fanbase is divided.

I'd rather we let the story play out so we aren't seen as a circus who don't give managers time and instead a club who does give managers time to succeed but also to fail. 

You assume Potter won't get a full team of players that he trusts winning games. But you can't know that. I want to know that before we spend a sh*t tonne of money and damage our reputation on sacking him. 

 
Nope give him more time. Sack him and we end up with someone like Pochettino.

We currently have an injury crisis unlike any club has ever seen before. A new medical department if more important. Give any manager this team without Reece, Chilly and Kante and they'll struggle. 

 
RIP Mourinho said:
Nope give him more time. Sack him and we end up with someone like Pochettino.

We currently have an injury crisis unlike any club has ever seen before. A new medical department if more important. Give any manager this team without Reece, Chilly and Kante and they'll struggle. 
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There is definitely a part of me that doesn't want to sack Potter because I can't stand the idea of Poch being our manager. 

 
I was surprised Tuchel got chopped, although the team had problems and there was a lot of moaning. Players like Werner were in a hurry to leave. 

I was even more surprised when Potter got the job, there was nothing in his track record beyond a few very minor league successes. But I could understand the thinking behind the appointment. 

The squad is not as bad as it seems, even with the injuries.there is a lack of confidence, a lack of system and I think the players now don’t trust the manager.  Managers do matter, nowhere near as much as players but they do matter. Look at Newcastle, their squad is hardly different to when Howe got the job but their defence is now excellent. 

if you sack Potter, and there is for sure a case for it, who gets the job? I don’t see anyone obvious. I wish we had Conte wringing and all, but we don’t. Poch, no thanks. 

‘The team needs some on field leadership, right now it’s just 11 random people running round. 
 

 
Drogba1 said:
Luis Enrique?
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You mean the guy whose only success in management at one point was managing a mid table la Liga side to the relatively lofty heights of a top 10 finish and then was appointed Barcelona manager where he looked completely out of his depth by January and was on the brink of the sack until he somehow managed to turn it around? 

Sounds familiar 🤣

 
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