SPOILERS - Game of Thrones

[ForeverCarefree]

Didn’t realise I was wasting your time by beckoning you from way up high on that pedestal you’ve placed yourself upon. 

You clearly take a show about magic and dragons a lot more seriously than most of us. 

 

[Slojo]

Didn’t realise I was wasting your time by beckoning you from way up high on that pedestal you’ve placed yourself upon. 

You clearly take a show about magic and dragons a lot more seriously than most of us. 

If you consider that a high pedestal then sure. I just like a good written plot and premise. 

As for your latter point absolutely, I love getting highly invested into these genre's, that's why I like a well written and consistent plot that you can find immersive and emotional, in other words, I'm a nerd... I think. 

 

[Barry Bridges]

I thought it was fantastic and loved the dizzying, dark effect, it was meant to disorientate and give the feel of what it would be like to be swarmed by the dead. I expect the next episode we will see just what bran was up to, it seems he's been controlling everything to get arya to that point where she both has the dagger and the ability and skill to kill the night King with it. 

In terms of entertainment it was a great episode, but when you start breaking it down I feel the writing of it/planning was a let down.  As I said they might patch some of the holes in later episodes, and it will fix some of those holes but right now I feel like parts of the episode were either rushed or poorly written.....and those can't be fixed retroactively though it could have just been better scripted to get the same result/survival rate.

For example it'd be much more believable to have all the main hero's & co escape to some citadel like structure/room that they can barely hold off until the Night King dies rather than how they had them survive...... like I'm supposed to believe Jamie Lannister & Podric can have their backs to the wall in an open courtyard while holding off the same undead army that literally just ran over multiple armies, a moat fire, and the very castle walls their backs are against?  How many hours did those two hold off a force that literally armies didn't stand against for more than minutes?  Times that by every other surviving hero..... that was as unrealistic as dragons (yes, Dragons exist and are "realistic" in the show but surviving impossible odds was never realistic in the show...very few ever escaped those odds, and those were spread across seasons and not a half dozen or more in one episode) in a show that's supposed to be ruthless.  If they had all those hero's holding off one or two doorways/hallways where the numbers matter far less...that could be viewed far more realistically.

Anyways, for entertainment value it was a massive success, but it did fall away a bit from the otherwise excellent and ruthless scripting of the show.  Mind you, the longest battle scene in cinematic history probably wasn't going to be one of the best written episodes also.

 

[dkw]

Anyone who uses this "plot armour" term is a tool. 

 

[Slojo]

In terms of entertainment it was a great episode, but when you start breaking it down I feel the writing of it/planning was a let down.  As I said they might patch some of the holes in later episodes,  and it will fix some of the holes but right now I feel like parts of the episode were either rushed or poorly written.and that can't be fixed retroactively though it could have just been better scripted.

For example it'd be much more believable to have all the main hero's & co escape to some citadel like structure/room that they can barely hold off until the Night King dies rather than how they had them survive...... like I'm supposed to believe Jamie Lannister & Podric can have their backs to the wall in an open courtyard while holding off the same undead army that literally just ran over multiple armies, a moat fire, and the very castle walls their backs are against?  How many hours did those two hold off a force that literally armies didn't stand against for more than minutes?  Times that by every other surviving hero..... that was as unrealistic as dragons in a show that's supposed to be ruthless.  If they had all those hero's holding off one or two doorways/hallways where the numbers matter far less...that could be viewed far more realistically.

Anyways, for entertainment value it was a massive success, but it did fall away a bit from the otherwise excellent and ruthless scripting of the show.  Mind you, the longest battle scene in cinematic history probably wasn't also going to be one of the best written episodes either.

I can only hope there's more to the Bran and Night King storyline, I mean I'm going to watch it until the end, only 3 episodes left. But I don't really care for the same stuff, they all go south, manage to somehow survive a crazy battle with their backs up against the wall for the 50th time, come out unscathed again and take down Cersi. 

The main war that was hyped up from Episode 1 9 years ago just ended in one single episode. I can only hope there is more to it and there's a bigger meaning, but I don't think so, like you said, entertainment value wise it's a massive success and clearly it's putting bums on seats to tune in. 

The only thing, however, that did intrigue me in the trailer was 2 dragons? Not sure if anyone else saw that. 

 

[Slojo]

Anyone who uses this "plot armour" term is a tool. 

Worst thing you've ever said. 

 

[dkw]

What more do you want me to say? Why would I entertain this statement...

"John surviving battles, it makes for entertaining television. How many times can you have one of your heroes survive a battle because he wasn't actually taking part? "

Like yeah sure... If you're entertained by that stuff I'm sure the Fast & Furious movies are well up your street. I would rather not waste my time debating it if that's your taste in quality, our tastes clearly differ on it.

Stop aching like a dick because someone has a different opinion about a TV show for f**ks sake, you're making a right bellend of yourself. It's TV, some of us enjoyed it, you didnt. That doesnt make you some kind of super fan who just gets it so much more than us mere plebs. f**king hate this kind of high and mighty attitude about popular entertainment. 

 

[Slojo]

Stop aching like a dick because someone has a different opinion about a TV show for f**ks sake, you're making a right bellend of yourself. It's TV, some of us enjoyed it, you didnt. That doesnt make you some kind of super fan who just gets it so much more than us mere plebs. f**king hate this kind of high and mighty attitude about popular entertainment. 

How mad were you when you typed this? Scale of 1-10? 

 

[dkw]

In terms of entertainment it was a great episode, but when you start breaking it down I feel the writing of it/planning was a let down.  As I said they might patch some of the holes in later episodes, and it will fix some of those holes but right now I feel like parts of the episode were either rushed or poorly written.....and those can't be fixed retroactively though it could have just been better scripted to get the same result/survival rate.

For example it'd be much more believable to have all the main hero's & co escape to some citadel like structure/room that they can barely hold off until the Night King dies rather than how they had them survive...... like I'm supposed to believe Jamie Lannister & Podric can have their backs to the wall in an open courtyard while holding off the same undead army that literally just ran over multiple armies, a moat fire, and the very castle walls their backs are against?  How many hours did those two hold off a force that literally armies didn't stand against for more than minutes?  Times that by every other surviving hero..... that was as unrealistic as dragons (yes, Dragons exist and are "realistic" in the show but surviving impossible odds was never realistic in the show...very few ever escaped those odds, and those were spread across seasons and not a half dozen or more in one episode) in a show that's supposed to be ruthless.  If they had all those hero's holding off one or two doorways/hallways where the numbers matter far less...that could be viewed far more realistically.

Anyways, for entertainment value it was a massive success, but it did fall away a bit from the otherwise excellent and ruthless scripting of the show.  Mind you, the longest battle scene in cinematic history probably wasn't going to be one of the best written episodes also.

I fully expect the next few episodes will show mors of what happened, where bran was dicking about for example. The only ridiculous fighting thing was Sam in my opinion, the rest could definitely hold there own in tight spaces against brainless zombies as they have been taught to fight or fighting all there lives. But I think we need to just detach from the not realistic thing sometimes, plot holes rarely bother me if I've enjoyed it. I agree some of it was shoddy but it was probably done with an idea of who does and doesnt survive. 

 

[robdog]

Didn’t realise I was wasting your time by beckoning you from way up high on that pedestal you’ve placed yourself upon. 

You clearly take a show about magic and dragons a lot more seriously than most of us. 

On another messageboard, there was a poster that complained that there wasn't enough Military tactics involved with The Battle of Winterfell. Some people just take it much more than a show about Dragons & Magic. C'est la vie

 

[dkw]

How mad were you when you typed this? Scale of 1-10? 

Not as angry as you are because someone dared enjoy an episode of a TV show. 

 

[Slojo]

Not as angry as you are because someone dared enjoy an episode of a TV show. 

>Complains about someone getting angry over a TV show

>Gets angry on a forum

Ok

 

[big blue]

I thought it was a fantastic episode, one of the best things I've seen visually. 

GoT battles have this ability for me to make me feel the despair of the characters, it makes me believe there is no way out, that death is inevitable, only to save the day at the last. Its certainly not an uncommon formula, but i think they pull it off better than any other long running show I've watched. 

I understand some of criticism though, there are lots of fans searching for more depth and meaning behind the whole night king and bran story line. Maybe we will get some more answers in the last 3 episodes, or maybe it will be shrouded in mystery. Personally I'm fine with either. 

I also agree with the criticism's of the tactics used, which made Ramsay Bolton look like a real mastermind. I assume some decisions were made in order to add effect. The dothraki riding into the wights and us watching the flaming swords just disappear, was a fantastic start to the battle. It really set the tone nicely, but tactically it was insane. Why did they rush anyway? Also where were the knights of the vale in all this? 

Anyway, small qualms for what was a masterpiece in my opinion, the soundtrack was absolutely on point throughout aswell. It might not have gone the way everyone wanted, but GoT rarely has pleased all the fans anyway. 

 

[Barry Bridges]

I can only hope there's more to the Bran and Night King storyline, I mean I'm going to watch it until the end, only 3 episodes left. But I don't really care for the same stuff, they all go south, manage to somehow survive a crazy battle with their backs up against the wall for the 50th time, come out unscathed again and take down Cersi. 

The main war that was hyped up from Episode 1 9 years ago just ended in one single episode. I can only hope there is more to it and there's a bigger meaning, but I don't think so, like you said, entertainment value wise it's a massive success and clearly it's putting bums on seats to tune in. 

The only thing, however, that did intrigue me in the trailer was 2 dragons? Not sure if anyone else saw that. 

One of the dragon had holes in it's wings....

 

[Barry Bridges]

I fully expect the next few episodes will show mors of what happened, where bran was dicking about for example. The only ridiculous fighting thing was Sam in my opinion, the rest could definitely hold there own in tight spaces against brainless zombies as they have been taught to fight or fighting all there lives. But I think we need to just detach from the not realistic thing sometimes, plot holes rarely bother me if I've enjoyed it. I agree some of it was shoddy but it was probably done with an idea of who does and doesnt survive. 

TBH I wonder if budget had a role to play in some of the awful tactics and how some hero's survived/missing some scenes..... Apparently it took 3 months to shoot that battle, and budget or tensions might have lead to certain things being cut/not done.

 

[Slojo]

One of the dragon had holes in it's wings....

Just enjoy it man! ?

 

[Blueblur]

It's entertainment. No need to read into it too much, just enjoy the thrill-ride. Same as Avengers Endgame- if you strip it down it has a whole host of problems, plot-holes and conveniences. But why on earth would I do that? I loved it, as I did this episode of GOT. 

They have 3 episodes left. There is plenty of time for some big character deaths. They had to get this Night King stuff out of the way quickly, since it was never going to be the defining point of the series.  

 

[Barry Bridges]

I thought it was a fantastic episode, one of the best things I've seen visually. 

GoT battles have this ability for me to make me feel the despair of the characters, it makes me believe there is no way out, that death is inevitable, only to save the day at the last. Its certainly not an uncommon formula, but i think they pull it off better than any other long running show I've watched. 

I understand some of criticism though, there are lots of fans searching for more depth and meaning behind the whole night king and bran story line. Maybe we will get some more answers in the last 3 episodes, or maybe it will be shrouded in mystery. Personally I'm fine with either. 

I also agree with the criticism's of the tactics used, which made Ramsay Bolton look like a real mastermind. I assume some decisions were made in order to add effect. The dothraki riding into the wights and us watching the flaming swords just disappear, was a fantastic start to the battle. It really set the tone nicely, but tactically it was insane. Why did they rush anyway? Also where were the knights of the vale in all this? 

Anyway, small qualms for what was a masterpiece in my opinion, the soundtrack was absolutely on point throughout aswell. It might not have gone the way everyone wanted, but GoT rarely has pleased all the fans anyway. 

talked with the wifey about the Vale knights.... I think they left back to the Vale in order to be a source of troops against Cersei (tactics for the plot, and not the tactics of the characters if that makes sense)

 

[dkw]

TBH I wonder if budget had a role to play in some of the awful tactics and how some hero's survived/missing some scenes..... Apparently it took 3 months to shoot that battle, and budget or tensions might have lead to certain things being cut/not done.

I think that's a certainly, they have been building to this huge battle so they had to make it spectacular. I mean it was basically a battle movie in length and scale so will have cost a sh*tload. 

 

[big blue]

talked with the wifey about the Vale knights.... I think they left back to the Vale in order to be a source of troops against Cersei (tactics for the plot, and not the tactics of the characters if that makes sense)

That would be a possibility, I haven't seen them at winterfell since BoB. 

I get the impression that there would have been difficulty in shooting or capturing lots of horses being swarmed by wights aswell, so maybe that was why they did what they did with the dothraki, and why they have saved the knights of the vale for 'the last war'.