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Wrong about Sarri?

General said:
If He doesn't win the EL then Avram Grant had a better season after taking over from Mourinho, Avram had no preseason and the club finished 2nd in the prem, admittedly IF Sarri wins on the 28th he will have achieved the top 4 goal  and then some !  Know its not apples to apples comparison, really just highlights the change in the ownership's attitude. 'Someone' at the club used to not tolerate 'failure', now over the last few seasons as the owner has seemed disconnected from the club it's become more accepted. (Failure may seem like a strong word but there were very high standards for RA's 1st decade of ownership, Carlo found that out).  I never watched Napoli before Sarri arrived, so I had no expectations  other than hope he would be successful implementing an attacking/ possession based football style. Overall he's shown that he can compete in the top half of the prem, the top 4 - well just about. I don't see him becoming like Klopp or Pep over time, hes on first impressions just not that good (in this league). He will obviously stay another season and  I hope the fans on here praising him have the last laugh, for the good of the club really.  


2007–08 season


Owner


Roman Abramovich


Chairman


Bruce Buck


Manager


José Mourinho
(until 20 September)[1]
Avram Grant
(from 20 September)


Stadium


Stamford Bridge


Premier League


2nd


FA Cup


Sixth round


League Cup


Runners-up


FA Community Shield


Runners-up


UEFA Champions League


Runners-up
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Avram Grant had about 7 world class players, and a squad that was the deepest and most expensively assembled in the league. 

Expectations are understandably lower these days.

 
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Sindre said:
I struggle to see how it's taken out of context when every single result is listed?

And i also struggle to see why comparing us to for example United who struggled with third-season Mourinho and a poor norwegian manager means much to us. They are not the ones we are chasing here and they are a complete mess themselves.
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But it didn't list every result ... it listed games against the top 14 ... we play in a league with 20 teams.

And there wasn't any context because you didn't show how the other teams around us did in the same set of fixtures, so that we had anything to compare against ...

 
Wrong about Sarri? it's still too early to say. 

I've always been 'Sarri in', but that's not because I'm a Sarri fan and 100% happy with the way things are going. It's because I believe that every manager deserves at least 18 months in the role before the fans start to turn. There are obviously going to be exceptions to this - flirting with the relegation zone, serious player unrest etc. But Sarri hasn't faced any of those issues this season, which is why I've found the lack of patience from some fans unbelievable. The booing and the insults thrown at Sarri (a manager who has finished 3rd in the league in his 1st season and reached 2 cup finals) is outrageous and embarrasses the club.

Next season is going to be a big season for Sarri. He'd have then had a year working with his team and a full pre-season behind him. If no improvements are made then criticism is inevitable and more understandable. I'm keeping positive though and believe that we will see big improvements next season and Sarri will be a success. Although losing Hazard will make things a lot more tricky.

When Sarri leaves (whenever that may be) I hope the fans are are bit more patient with the next manager.

 
Skinnedy said:
But still bad... I added Wolves in here because I was curious. This was the point total for the Top 7 head to head


1


Manchester City


29


2


LiverPool


25


3


Wolves


16


4


Arsenal


13


5


ManU


13


6


Spurs


10


7


Chelsea


9
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I don't understand the point of this. Do you get bonus points if you beat a top 7 team?

 
Keep him until the end of next season then do a 2 year review of the project then decide if it's worth it to continue on with him.

He at least deserve 6 months with the results at the end of the season. At least it wasn't Conte's 3-5-1-1 with no wingers.

 
chi blue said:
I was never a Sarri in,  simply not good enough, he's rabbit caught in headlights when big in game decisions need  making, I was wrong last Sunday though when I said I suppose he deserves a second season as we got top four, but after his antics on Thursday night when  the second half display of team and his management nearly cost us, I'm convinced we made top four in spite of him not because of him, keep him next season and be prepared some more horror performances and him admiting he can't motivate players.
Come June thank him, and part our ways.
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You seriously want us to give him till June? I won't give him beyond December to sack him. When we sack him, we need to sign the right manager immediately and no interim, so the new manager can have the chance to manage and get to know the players from January till June and then decide who to keep and who to release. If we give Sarri time till June, the new manager will also want us to be patient with him for a whole season so he can get used to the team before going all out for the title in his second season. I can't stand 3 or 4 seasons without winning the league once. If we will give Sarri the whole of next season, his replacement better be Conte!
 
bluedave said:
I don't understand the point of this. Do you get bonus points if you beat a top 7 team?
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Someone asked if they thought our results were good enough against the Top 6. We got a chart, I was interested in the numbers. We were bad on the road, but how bad compared to our competition for Top 6.

I actually found it very interesting how successful Wolves were against Top 6 squads. 

Turns out the difference between winning the championship and having the greatest second place team ever trophy was the games against Top 6.

Turns out, if you remove Wolves, the results for the Top 6 were dang near in order of the finish.

Only Spurs was out of order.. So whether you find any interest or not, I think results against Top 6 is very telling in the final league table. At least it was this year. 

And in the grand scheme of things.. None of this matters.. It's a message board... So lighten up ?

 
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Same as Emery, better than Poch and Solksjaer/Mourinho.

1. Man City P10 W8 D1 L1 F20 A5 Pts 25 GD +15

2. Liverpool P10 W5 D4 L1 F17 A7 Pts 19 GD +10

3. Arsenal P10 W3 D3 L4 F13 A16 Pts 12 GD -3

4.Chelsea P10 W3 D3 L4 F12 A17 Pts 12 GD -5

5. Spurs P10 W2 D1 L7 F9 A13 Pts 7 GD -4

6. Man United P10 W1 D4 L5 F8 A18 Pts 7 GD -8

 
Sindre said:
There are actually several options out there if you ask me.

I've already mentioned some of them but i'll give you another alternative in Erik Ten Hag from A**x. Also possession-based if that's the way the club wants to go.
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So you go for a like for like substitution.

 
wallosh said:
chi blue said:
I was never a Sarri in,  simply not good enough, he's rabbit caught in headlights when big in game decisions need  making, I was wrong last Sunday though when I said I suppose he deserves a second season as we got top four, but after his antics on Thursday night when  the second half display of team and his management nearly cost us, I'm convinced we made top four in spite of him not because of him, keep him next season and be prepared some more horror performances and him admiting he can't motivate players.
Come June thank him, and part our ways.
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You seriously want us to give him till June? I won't give him beyond December to sack him. When we sack him, we need to sign the right manager immediately and no interim, so the new manager can have the chance to manage and get to know the players from January till June and then decide who to keep and who to release. If we give Sarri time till June, the new manager will also want us to be patient with him for a whole season so he can get used to the team before going all out for the title in his second season. I can't stand 3 or 4 seasons without winning the league once. If we will give Sarri the whole of next season, his replacement better be Conte!
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June this year, i.e 2/3 weeks. Then thank him and dispense with his services. 

 
Bonzodog29 said:
Such horsesh*t. Our points total would get us to 3rd most seasons. The teams around us wobbled at a bad time, yes, but in most seasons you would expect all teams to have rough patches, the main difference this season is the top 2 are/ were outstanding and didnt wobble at all throughout the season, 
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mate, the race for 4th was only a 'race' because we are all so poor.  We need big changes and a slight different approach from the manager.  Has to tone down the stubbornness mainly, and create a plan B

 
I was/am more Sarri out, simply because it grinds on me how poor we have been this year and how stubborn he is.  If he was here at the start of next season though you couldn't really complain because on paper it is deserved.

When you are at the ground etc or just chatting to fellow blues, its massively Sarri Out (majority anyway)

 
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I'm in Naples at the moment. It's great. Everyone loves Sarri and Chelsea. Telling me how we will become amazing next year. 

I recommend it for anyone who wants a confidence boost

 
RickUK said:
mate, the race for 4th was only a 'race' because we are all so poor.  We need big changes and a slight different approach from the manager.  Has to tone down the stubbornness mainly, and create a plan B
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I understand your point, however the counter argument is still there, we may have "all been so poor" but the points total doesnt lie and would get us top 4 most seasons, this would suggest that over the course of most seasons anyone involved in the "race" for a top 4 would have been poor, we know this isnt actually true. Yes we were poor by our own very high recent standards but the main thing IMO is that the top 2 have been that good this year. I agree with the fact we need to have more flexibility from the manager and I also feel there were signs of that toward the end, but as has been mentioned a number of times he wants the team getting then basics of his style down pat before adding in alterations, hence i think the stubbornness. I am not saying Sarri is the second coming but while we have been poor in patches there were times when the style clicked and you could see what he was going for and should he be able to keep on that vein then I would be happy to wait. 

 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/542110/premier-league-table-2018-19-alternative-standings-division-finished-expected-goals-statistics/amp/

Here's the expected points tally for the season. Now while it has us at almost exactly the amount of points as we did get it had us comfortably third in the table, 10 points clear of 4th.

I know this type of graph will never win round some people but I actually find it very useful. Yes in terms of the game/season just gone it's pointless but if can give you a good idea on what's going to happen in the future for example.

- Last season United were overperforming their XG/XP metre by quite some distance, which made their collapse fairly predictable especially when combined with Jose's track record in a third season.

- Earlier in the season Spurs were outperforming XG in a similar way which led to me predicting a sticky run at some point and viola, although I want expecting such a poor run.

- City in Pep's first season constantly underperforming their XG metre because of horrendous finishing and Claudio Bravo, it was clear they were going to be formidable once that was sorted out, and they are.

This is why getting the transfer window stayed is crucial, because I believe we truly have a chance to cement our position in 3rd with the right signings and right loan returns.

 
He started very well for us but in the middle of the season he was definitely poor. Very stubborn in not willing to change tactics or drop players, but at least he wasnt stubborn/stupid enough to carry on the same way because towards the end of the season he really did pick up again and showed he was willing to change tactics and drop players. 

Jorginho had a big turn around towards the end of the season, and Sarri is a big reason for that. Not to mention that CHO and RLC are pretty much in our starting XI now. I support Sarri 100%

 
chi blue said:
June this year, i.e 2/3 weeks. Then thank him and dispense with his services. 
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June this year? Haha, the media will slaughter our board for not being patient with him after qualifying us for the champions league. I personally already know he will struggle next year because he has overachieved by finishing 3rd in the league this season, it will be even more difficult to finish 4th next season because Spurs, Arsenal and United will be stronger next season. But I think it's fair to give him till next season, if by November he is still throwing tantrums about not knowing how to motivate the players or he still doesn't know why we come out of the dressing room and have a bad second half, we should just let him go and appoint a new manager in December.
 
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