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Sconnie Blue said:
How many times have we seen smaller teams completely run through our midfield though. More clubs are adopting a pressing game and we have seen just how much we struggle from building out against it. 
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That's because of the size of players we have in our CM. Not enough muscle. Arsenal and United have two man midfield but have stronger, physical players. Most the players we have played in that position are either on the smaller side or don't have the legs.

 
STATS said:
That's because of the size of players we have in our CM. Not enough muscle. Arsenal and United have two man midfield but have stronger, physical players. Most the players we have played in that position are either on the smaller side or don't have the legs.
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Think the biggest criticism under Lampard was that he never implemented a basic principle in defending compact. We are all over the place. 

Enzo and Ugarte complement each other well but both have a lot to learn. Add Nkunku at CAM, I worry just how defensively strong this midfield can be as opposed to a midfield three of Ugarte, Enzo, and Caicedo where Nkunku could be the RF/LF. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Think the biggest criticism under Lampard was that he never implemented a basic principle in defending compact. We are all over the place. 

Enzo and Ugarte complement each other well but both have a lot to learn. Add Nkunku at CAM, I worry just how defensively strong this midfield can be as opposed to a midfield three of Ugarte, Enzo, and Caicedo where Nkunku could be the RF/LF. 
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The options would be nice, varying in game and based on opposition or home/away.  

Agree with your sentiment though.  Caicedo would be a huge signing for me, and give the midfield an engine it has lacked since Kante's injury woes (and something we have always had back to Maka, Essien, Ramires, Kante, etc).

 
Manuel Ugarte prefers Chelsea and is particularly pleased with Chelsea’s project, he has the chance to play in the Premier League, a competitive level higher than Ligue 1. Mauricio Pochettino told Chelsea’s board he plans to count on Ugarte next season. (@Record_Portugal) #CFC
 

Chelsea’s offer : £52m clause + £4.3m in achievable add ons. Ugarte has meetings with elements from Chelsea soon to understand if they will formalise this offer. (@Record_Portugal) #CFC

 
Not being in Europe shouldn't matter.  He's 22 and has his whole career to play in Europe. What's best for him is which club will present the best role for him moving forward. 

- Play in the Premier League

- Work under Pochettino

- Play at a big club

- Play at a club where they are further along their project vs PSG. 

- Be an integral part of a young and promising team. 

 
Fabrizio Romano -

“I think there will be a very big revolution in midfield this summer for Chelsea”

Wouldn't be surprised if we are targeting both Ugarte and Caicedo tbf

Romano has spoken on numerous occasions of our interest in Caicedo

 
Todd Boehly was present in the meeting yesterday, he met with Manuel Ugarte, Jorge Mendes and Jorge Chijane. He was presented with €2m annual salary, through a long term deal, in order to soften the investment, spreading it over several years and reducing the impact of spending on UEFA fair play. (@Record_Portugal)
 

Ugarte saw Chelsea as almost a done deal but is now reticent over his future after seeing the disparity in wages. (@Record_Portugal) #CFC
 

with a new round of negotiations set to take place between clubs and player. PSG also offered sporting to pay in 2 installments of 30 million, whilst Chelsea offered it over 5 installments.

 
Although Manuel Ugarte prefers the #Chelsea project, PSG have offered him a salary of €5M-a-year compared to the Blues’ €2M-a-year. Mauricio Pochettino wants Ugarte and has called him to try to convince him. 

[via @Record_Portugal]
 

Note: Both salary offers made to Manuel Ugarte from PSG [€5M] and #Chelsea [€2M] are tax free.

[via @Record_Portugal]

 
Seen a bit about changing the offer again but I reckon the difference is the “champions league” wage vs the “not champions league” wage and the £2m includes the non CL deduction 

 
Presumably our offer will rise depending on bonuses etc if we qualify for Champions League. Otherwise it looks pretty low compared to what PSG are offering. 

 
Now if Todd has indeed taken a step back why is he the one at this meeting and not either Stewart, Winstanley or both?

Also is anyone surprised PSG is offering way more money than us? Only clubs in Saudi or other oil states offer more ridiculous money than they do.

Good test though, go for the big pay day and kill your career there like Veratti did staying there or have a chance to develop in a top league. 

 
Don't mind that. If we get priced out than so be it. Can't have our wage bill killing any sustainability moving forward. Incentivized contracts healthier for the long term. 

PSG's offer has fewer installments but our offer includes D. Fofana on loan which has peaked a lot of interest from Sporting. 

 
Sconnie Blue said:
Don't mind that. If we get priced out than so be it. Can't have our wage bill killing any sustainability moving forward. Incentivized contracts healthier for the long term. 

PSG's offer has fewer installments but our offer includes D. Fofana on loan which has peaked a lot of interest from Sporting. 
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It may well happen more this window if we chase targets other big clubs want. We have to be fair in this and if Enzo and co lost 30%of their wages for no CL qualifications then any new signing has to start 30% down with the option for it to go up if we return to the CL.

 
JM7 said:
Todd Boehly was present in the meeting yesterday, he met with Manuel Ugarte, Jorge Mendes and Jorge Chijane. He was presented with €2m annual salary, through a long term deal, in order to soften the investment, spreading it over several years and reducing the impact of spending on UEFA fair play. (@Record_Portugal)
 

Ugarte saw Chelsea as almost a done deal but is now reticent over his future after seeing the disparity in wages. (@Record_Portugal) #CFC
 

with a new round of negotiations set to take place between clubs and player. PSG also offered sporting to pay in 2 installments of 30 million, whilst Chelsea offered it over 5 installments.
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Hahaha. Here we go again.

Another three montsh of this bollox incoming now.

 
Todd and Eghbali likes to make high risk decisions in every possible department, it's clear now.  It's their MO.  Whether it's changing the entire staff of a successful club, playing hardball with it's most loved player (Mount), buying kids with (only) potential from all over the world etc.

This is no different. Let's offer this kid who really wants to play for us a really low salary and see what he does. It's like they get off on it.

On the other hand if Mudryk is coming for 70M and earning 100k, maybe it makes for Ugarte coming in for 45M and earning something like 70k. If they can fix the mess that is our salary ladder hats off to them. 

 
I wonder if such salary offers is how we supposedly offered Declan Rices family?

 
I find it hard to believe we are offering him only 40k per week for supposedly a key figure in our midfield rebuild. Low balling is all well and good, agents though know what their client can expect to earn. I firmly believe most players are paid far too much but the cat is out of the bag now and an individual morale stand by the club will be fruitless. Ultimately if you offer wages that Palace and Bournemouth pay to a player, you end up at that level.

 
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