Terry - Allegation/Captaincy (merged)

[Samdwich]

Blah-blah-blah! Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out...

If its all so appalling and disgraceful to you, perhaps you could cheer on another club that has supporters that are more polite. Quit whining and enjoy the 6-1 thrashing!

Great arguments you've put forward there. I did really enjoy the game, though, fantastic performance, brilliant from all the lads. Shame some dumb c**ts have to keep tarnishing the reputation of our club, though.

 

[NoSeatingInTheShedInMyDay]

Innocent until proven guilty yadda yadda yadda, but we've all seen the clip and there are clearly grounds on which the accusation is based.

Jesus f**king christ. If JT's career is ruined in this, it's his f**king fault for making the comments. That is honestly as blinkered as trying to blame a rape victim for ruining the life of her rapist.

And no, he hasn't milked anything from the media, show me ONE media interview he's done about the incident. He's refused to and has been dignified in it all.

If you thought someone had racially abused you (with good reason), would you shake their hand? In fact, he didn't even refuse to, he just asked for legal advice on the matter. I know you support our club and want to get behind our captain, but have some f**king objectivity please.

Yeah unfortunately that's not how it works mate. Racism is a serious issue no matter how much you try to trivialise it, and it shouldn't just be "dismissed". There's a reason we have laws against it and denouncing a person for assisting a police investigation (HE DIDN'T EVEN INSTIGATE IT) into an offence against him is ridiculous.

Honestly, if you guys are representative of fans of this club, I am ashamed to be blue. Have some f**king objectivity before you slide down to Liverpool level (yes, booing Ferdinand is just as classless as the scousers booing Evra)

I'm not your mate but I'll give it one last reply anyway. I stand by what I said, that I'd prefer it if a grown man concerned about racism tackled the bigger issues rather than cost the country time and money complaining about two words which may or may not have been said and which he certainly didn't hear.

I say this with some experience of getting abuse on (and off) the pitch for being in a minority group. However, if I'd have booked every player who'd been rude to me for being a woman I'd have spent more time writing reports than officiating in matches. Fortunately, although I don't earn a footballers' salary, I'm a big girl and can rise above it, saving my energy for the volunteer work I do for Red Balloon schools for severely bullied children.

 

[timetowaste]

I can't be bothered to get into the argument you lot are in but I will say one thing, no matter how the trial goes, John Terry will always be a legend to us Chelsea fans.

 

[DoubleHelix74]

Great arguments you've put forward there. I did really enjoy the game, though, fantastic performance, brilliant from all the lads. Shame some dumb c**ts have to keep tarnishing the reputation of our club, though.

Didn't make any arguements nor will I... I could care less if someone is offended over two words... They're words, that's all... And before you go an spout off that I am a classless racist let me fill you in on that I am in a biracial marriage. If somebody called me something offensive due to my marriage, Oh fockin well! It's there problem not mine! World is not a perfect place nor will it ever be so stop acting like a pretentious arsehole and get over yourself mate!

 

[tremberz90]

Why does it matter what Chelsea or QPR fans sung? At the end of the day fans are always going to be like that, there's nothing that can be done about it.

So what if we booed Ferdinand. Players get booed all the time, it's not because he's black or anything. It may be because people just don't like the way he handled it. Who cares. Imagine the abuse Torres is going to get at Anfield when we play there. Every player gets abuse, just because of the racist scandal people are over exaggerating.

 

[Zeta]

John Terry gets booed at every ground he goes to, so does Ashley Cole. It's just something footballers have to deal with, I'm sure they're capable of handling it. Anyway, well done for ruining a nice celebratory thread.

 

[DoubleHelix74]

Why does it matter what Chelsea or QPR fans sung? At the end of the day fans are always going to be like that, there's nothing that can be done about it.

So what if we booed Ferdinand. Players get booed all the time, it's not because he's black or anything. It may be because people just don't like the way he handled it. Who cares. Imagine the abuse Torres is going to get at Anfield when we play there. Every player gets abuse, just because of the racist scandal people are over exaggerating.

Spot on

 

[Frawdulant]

Innocent until proven guilty yadda yadda yadda, but we've all seen the clip and there are clearly grounds on which the accusation is based.

Jesus f**king christ. If JT's career is ruined in this, it's his f**king fault for making the comments. That is honestly as blinkered as trying to blame a rape victim for ruining the life of her rapist.

And no, he hasn't milked anything from the media, show me ONE media interview he's done about the incident. He's refused to and has been dignified in it all.

If you thought someone had racially abused you (with good reason), would you shake their hand? In fact, he didn't even refuse to, he just asked for legal advice on the matter. I know you support our club and want to get behind our captain, but have some f**king objectivity please.

Yeah unfortunately that's not how it works mate. Racism is a serious issue no matter how much you try to trivialise it, and it shouldn't just be "dismissed". There's a reason we have laws against it and denouncing a person for assisting a police investigation (HE DIDN'T EVEN INSTIGATE IT) into an offence against him is ridiculous.

Honestly, if you guys are representative of fans of this club, I am ashamed to be blue. Have some f**king objectivity before you slide down to Liverpool level (yes, booing Ferdinand is just as classless as the scousers booing Evra)

Mate you are increadably ignorant. It's such a shame people like you consider themselves fans of this club. You get sucked in by malicious media story's and you lap it up like the rest. Personally I feel sorry for you it's a shame.

Terry admitted saying black c*nt, however he claims it was not derogatory. He mistakenly thought that anton believe he had used the slur and John was denying it at the point of filming. Whether you believe that or not is entirely up to you but at least use your brain a little.

1) All the black players that were surrounding him in the video do not bat an eyelid. Suggesting truth.

2) The man lives in one of the most multicultural societies in the world and is under constant media scrutiny and he is intelligent enough, in my opinion, to not fan the flames.

The fact that you have absolute zero faith in probably one of the greatest captains our great club has ever has is disturbing and slightly suspicious.

Maybe a journo hoping to create a story, maybe a child, maybe an opposition fan stirring it up or (and I really hope not) and actual fan who is just basically an absolute moron.

If your disgusted your more than welcome to go somewhere else or even support the club from a distance and stop filling the pages of a spectacular 6-1 thrashing with your misguided bullsh*t.

Come on lads this ones not even worth our time.

 

[Lofty.]

I don't even know where to begin.

If you were shown a video clip of someone shouting names at you (not even racial abuse, just calling you a c**t or whatever) but you're just out of earshot, would you not be offended?

And again, it's not just "a couple of nasty words", some people on here really don't get that racism is a big deal, nuts.

As for QPR fans being classless: yes, we all know that, they're absolute c**ts, but does that mean we have to sink to their level and be just as bad? The way some of you go on it sounds like you're 5 and 6 year olds

Racism is a big deal. Nobody is attempting to deny that. If and when John Terry is convicted of racial abuse then you may be justified in your viewpoint. Until such time, the fact remains that John Terry has been convicted of nothing. Anton Ferdinand, in common with yourself, has however found John Terry guilty, not by due process of law, but by the process of trial by youtube.

Is John Terry a racist? Not a chance. Did he utter a couple of words which in this day and age could be construed as racially offensive? Possibly. The video I saw was inconclusive. The difference between you and I is that I do not assume John Terry to be innocent and yet you assume his guilt.

I am not going to add further to this discussion. What I will say is that I find it extremely disappointing that after such a wonderful performance, there are people here calling themselves Chelsea fans who can find nothing better to say about the game than to have to a go at Malouda or the Chelsea fans.

We won 6-1 for Christ's sakes Get off your bloody high horses and celebrate another fantastic victory.

 

[Bluehatter]

Samdwich we just won 6-1 ffs go and take your ferdinand bo**ocks somewhere else pal!

 

[Frawdulant]

John Terry gets booed at every ground he goes to, so does Ashley Cole. It's just something footballers have to deal with, I'm sure they're capable of handling it. Anyway, well done for ruining a nice celebratory thread.

This!!

What an absolute mug

 

[Paul70]

Sandwich...what did john terry say in that clip....word for word please!!

 

[DoubleHelix74]

Samdwich we just won 6-1 ffs go and take your ferdinand bo**ocks somewhere else pal!

And that 6 currently puts us 4 ahead now of Spurs in goal difference which could be vital in that fourth spot

 

[Samdwich]

Mate you are increadably ignorant. It's such a shame people like you consider themselves fans of this club. You get sucked in by malicious media story's and you lap it up like the rest. Personally I feel sorry for you it's a shame.

Terry admitted saying black c*nt, however he claims it was not derogatory. He mistakenly thought that anton believe he had used the slur and John was denying it at the point of filming. Whether you believe that or not is entirely up to you but at least use your brain a little.

1) All the black players that were surrounding him in the video do not bat an eyelid. Suggesting truth.

2) The man lives in one of the most multicultural societies in the world and is under constant media scrutiny and he is intelligent enough, in my opinion, to not fan the flames.

The fact that you have absolute zero faith in probably one of the greatest captains our great club has ever has is disturbing and slightly suspicious.

Maybe a journo hoping to create a story, maybe a child, maybe an opposition fan stirring it up or (and I really hope not) and actual fan who is just basically an absolute moron.

If your disgusted your more than welcome to go somewhere else or even support the club from a distance and stop filling the pages of a spectacular 6-1 thrashing with your misguided bullsh*t.

Come on lads this ones not even worth our time.

Racism is a big deal. Nobody is attempting to deny that. If and when John Terry is convicted of racial abuse then you may be justified in your viewpoint. Until such time, the fact remains that John Terry has been convicted of nothing. Anton Ferdinand, in common with yourself, has however found John Terry guilty, not by due process of law, but by the process of trial by youtube.

Is John Terry a racist? Not a chance. Did he utter a couple of words which in this day and age could be construed as racially offensive? Possibly. The video I saw was inconclusive. The difference between you and I is that I do not assume John Terry to be innocent and yet you assume his guilt.

I am not going to add further to this discussion. What I will say is that I find it extremely disappointing that after such a wonderful performance, there are people here calling themselves Chelsea fans who can find nothing better to say about the game than to have to a go at Malouda or the Chelsea fans.

We won 6-1 for Christ's sakes Get off your bloody high horses and celebrate another fantastic victory.

Thanks for repeating the arguments that I've seen a billion times over, and thank you for telling me what my opinion is, there I was thinking I'd have to come to my own conclusion.

Of course he's innocent until proven guilty, I even f**king said this in my earlier posts, and yes I hope he is innocent, how have we gotten to this?!

My point is that Ferdinand is within his rights to be offended when he sees that clip. He's not expected to think "oh, he might have been saying something else so I won't help the police in trying to find out what the truth was", so why is he getting stick for it?

As for talking about this rather than the win: we won, we played great, I was happy, what do you expect me to do, post "I'm happy )))" and ignore the sh*t that came with the win?

 

[Bluehatter]

Thanks for repeating the arguments that I've seen a billion times over, and thank you for telling me what my opinion is, there I was thinking I'd have to come to my own conclusion.

Of course he's innocent until proven guilty, I even f**king said this in my earlier posts, and yes I hope he is innocent, how have we gotten to this?!

My point is that Ferdinand is within his rights to be offended when he sees that clip. He's not expected to think "oh, he might have been saying something else so I won't help the police in trying to find out what the truth was", so why is he getting stick for it?

As for talking about this rather than the win: we won, we played great, I was happy, what do you expect me to do, post "I'm happy )))" and ignore the sh*t that came with the win?

The abuse from what i could wasn't even that bad. A bit of booing but tbf I think most expected more than that. Really shouldn't be made a big deal of!

 

[moi]

Sandwich...what did john terry say in that clip....word for word please!!

Hush! We really don't need that.

 

[Frawdulant]

Thanks for repeating the arguments that I've seen a billion times over, and thank you for telling me what my opinion is, there I was thinking I'd have to come to my own conclusion.

Of course he's innocent until proven guilty, I even f**king said this in my earlier posts, and yes I hope he is innocent, how have we gotten to this?!

I believe you referred to it as "innocent until proven guilty yadda yadda yadda"

You have done a total u-turn here mate a minute ago you were talking about how you've seen the footage and he had racially abused him.

My point is that Ferdinand is within his rights to be offended when he sees that clip. He's not expected to think "oh, he might have been saying something else so I won't help the police in trying to find out what the truth was", so why is he getting stick for it?

As for talking about this rather than the win: we won, we played great, I was happy, what do you expect me to do, post "I'm happy )))" and ignore the sh*t that came with the win?

Yes mate your supposed to talk about being happy with the game. Aside from people having their good mood ruined by being dragged into your pointless pettiness everyone IS talking about the win. Your in the minority here and no-one here agrees with you. Drop it!

Your team wins 6-1 and your infuriated by a boo. Mate I seriously think football is the wrong sport for you if this gets to you do much, because I guarantee there's much worse to come in the form of some new scandal in the papers.

 

[Phillip]

Maybe Samdwich is that Shreeves person in disguise.

 

[The Moos]

Maybe, just maybe, the Chelsea fans that booed Ferdinand were pissed off that he is going to be a major witness against JT in a court case. A major witness who admitted he heard nothing wrong at the time of the 'incident', and is therefore trying to ruin a fellow players career out of malice alone.

But where do you get the idea that Ferdinand is trying to f*ck with Terry?

I might be wrong, but didn't someone else - someone other than Ferdinand - start this whole mess? And surely it wasn't Ferdinand who reported the incident to the police?

As for Ferdinand being called as a witness, that's not really his fault? If he's already stated that he didn't hear what Terry said then I doubt he'll change that story in court.

Now I can in a way understand the booing because some fans don't really need an excuse to boo players to mess with them, but to throw s*it at Ferdinand is a bit wrong. He didn't ask for this, he hasn't milked this and he didn't run to the police and ask to be a witness.

Even if Terry is innocent, it doesn't mean Ferdinand has acted in a way that makes him deserve all kinds of rubbish thrown at him.

 

[smileysmiles]

If you were shown a video clip of someone shouting names at you (not even racial abuse, just calling you a c**t or whatever) but you're just out of earshot, would you not be offended?

And again, it's not just "a couple of nasty words", some people on here really don't get that racism is a big deal, nuts.

As for QPR fans being classless: yes, we all know that, they're absolute c**ts, but does that mean we have to sink to their level and be just as bad? The way some of you go on it sounds like you're 5 and 6 year olds

Me offended for getting called a C*NT.. Well NO why should I, I would just take anyone calling me it as one.

You follow your statement up with a blanket cover of calling all QPR fans a C*NTs. People in glass houses and all that..

I'm hoping that sense is seen in the case of JT, any ruling against him will be detrimental to our multicultural society because it will start to enforce the belief that liberalism has gone crazy, and moderate people who have stood upto people calling people racist names in the past will start to wonder if everything has gone too far..

Time will tell..