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  1. Exactly. We should all be treated as equal and our skin colour shouldn't matter. The people in here seem obsessed with peoples skin colour. It's disturbing. Just to add, the post you replied to said "a white bloke telling a black bloke what is and isn't racism doesn't sit well with me. No matter how much they keep saying that's what I'm saying, I haven't actually said this. All I said is I'm not going to find someone guilty of racism, or someone the victim of racism when there is zero evidence that is was racism. The victim thinking it was racism isn't enough. A perfectly sensible a
  2. It has everything to do with flagging! It's standard for police and prosecutors to use that definition to flag a case as racist, but that is all. They obviously won't try and prosecute for any racial crimes based on the victims word and no evidence. The fact the CPS might consider it a racist event doesn't actually mean anything. The fact is the victim legally can't decide if a case is racist. This is a fact. I follow the same standards as our legal system. My post was from the CPS Prosecution Guidelines. Posting a bit from a 20 year old newspaper article is so stupid. A
  3. Yes, Boris, you are. In the same column, he railed against the Macpherson reforms, which were proposed in the wake of the murder of Stephen Lawrence. These reforms have since become the standard for prosecutors. They allow victims and third parties to define if something is racist. Johnson wasn't keen, saying it was "Orwellian stuff" from the "PC brigade"." A bit from an article in The Guardian from 2000. Really? That's the definition the CPS use to flag a case as racially motivate, but they can't prosecute
  4. We are all aware that black people get stopped more than white people, and using the stats would have been a sensible argument that I would have agreed with. Instead all that was provided was a couple headlines (which didn't show anything) and anecdotal evidence about being searched once when he was 15 years old. It's not even a horrible story. He just got searched once when he was 15. Hardly a big deal. They were awful examples to use to prove racism and I'm not going to be told that I have to accept a certain event was racism without evidence because the person feels it was racism, or becaus
  5. Neither can I. It seemed certain that Werner was going to liverpool. Massive for the club that we managed to get him!
  6. You've actually just proven my point. I don't think you have been reading what I've been saying either as you've backed up what I'm saying. I was very clearly told Bruto's case was racism and I had to believe it. That's what I take issue with. If you accept that not all wrongful arrests of black people aren't racially motivated, then you have to accept my view that Bruto's being searched doesn't have to be because he was black based on the information given. My whole point is you have to judge each case individually and not just assume that because a black person was searched it was
  7. I actually think you guys are the ones trolling.
  8. That's a silly thing to say. Of course we can determine what does or does not constitute a racist act. We all know the definition of racism and can all know what a racist act is. Assuming you've told the full story, of course that was a racist act. Why would I say otherwise? I've never said their aren't police who are racist. I don't believe in generalising large groups of people tho. Our police try to de-escalate while in America we don't. I'm not saying our police are perfect, I've spent 8 months in prison and slept on the streets because of them and I suspect foul play, but it is
  9. Yes I understand, and haven't said anything otherwise, but that doesn't mean his case was because of racism. His experience isn't even sad as he was only searched, doesn't actually prove anything or add anything to the discussion. No one is saying racism doesn't exist (how many times do I have to say this?), but that doesn't automatically mean Burto's case had anything to do with racism. You can't just decide every black man searched is because they are black. Burto's was silly to give that as an example of racism. 1, Being searched at 15 isn't anything major and happens all the time, 2
  10. I agree with you on America. We're far from perfect in this country, but we're so much better than America when it comes to racism and how the police behave.
  11. It will be interesting to see. I suspect you're right, but Werner can also play off the left. I suspect CHO will start of the bech with all the options we have, but as you said, will get lots of chances through the season to make an impact.
  12. Bruto's has no idea of the police intention that night. The police did something to him that has happened to me several times, but I'm being told I have to believe the police did it to him because he is black, despite there being nothing to suggest it, just because he thinks (doesn't actually know) that's why. That's ridiculous! I don't jump to conclusions without facts just because someone makes an allegation (which isn't actually based on anything other than what he thinks). It's a reasonable position to want some evidence that something happened because of racism instead of automatical
  13. If he's considered good enough start, I'm sure he will. I'm not saying he will start, but I would be surprised if what's happened will have any impact on the decision.
  14. Yes. Good idea. I apologise for playing my part in ruining this thread.
  15. There's no anger from me. You're making things up again. You also clearly didn't read the posts. This is what I'm talking about people not being able to have a sensible discussion about racism. You're getting too emotional and can't debate anyone with a different opinion to yours without bringing my race into it (white anger 🤣) and being childish. I treat everyone the same no matter what the race. You're the one who changes his opinion based on what someone's race is. You're the one who says some races opinions matters less than others. People like you are part of the problem. Stop s
  16. So talented and he has so much potential!
  17. You're not reading the posts. It's the second time you've done this. Please actually read the posts before replying. You would know the answer if you had bothered reading my post. It's happened several times to me and I was also told I fit the description. That's a common thing police say when investigating a crime. I've also wrongly been put in jail for a crime I didn't commit partly because of police mistakes, so it seems you're wrong that the chances of it happening to me again are minimal. I've had far more bad luck than Bruto's has with being treated badly by the police. I nev
  18. People in this thread where accusing that person of writing that article of being a racist and you just decided that the policemen who searched Brutos did it because of race. I certainly don't think you have discussed it in a sensible way. You've been very childish at times. (the bolded bit) You don't know that and you can't make that claim. You're just randomly deciding to believe it happened because of race and randomly accuse the policemen involved of being racists (something you just said no one has done). That's unacceptable. Has it occurred to you that police make mistak
  19. So you think it's acceptable to just randomly accuse someone of racism where there's nothing to suggest there was any racism? You can't just randomly decide people are racist. Can you see how that would rub me up the wrong way. Just because there is racism doesn't mean we have to accept every time someone calls racism and there's no proof at all. Let's go back to Brutos. He got searched as a kid, says it's racism and they did it because he's black. Why should I believe that to be the case when the same thing (and much worse) has happened to me? It wouldn't make any sense
  20. Neither of you are actually reading what people are posting. Not one person has said there isn't racism, and not one person has said black people have been searching for racism for 400 years. Please actually read and understand what's being said if you're going to reply. I'm a white guy I've had much worse than being searched done to me by the police. I've was stopped several times by police for matching the description when I was younger. I was also chucked in prison for a crime I didn't commit. It finally got thrown out of court. The police made several mistakes when recording evidence
  21. This is exactly what I'm saying. Racism needs to be dealt with, but It doesn't help at all for people to be looking for racism when it's not there, or at least there isn't any reasonable reason to think it's there
  22. Bit of a random reply. It's nothing to do with empathy or walking in others shoes, it's to do with accusing a writer of racism without any evidence. It's out of order.
  23. Being offended doesn't mean people are right in feeling that way. There's nothing in the example (with the two headlines) to suggest it has anything to do with race. So yes, if you look at that and see racism then it is your own fault. Being offended doesn't mean anything. People get offended over silly things all the time. I'm more interested in facts than peoples feelings. Facts are all that matters.
  24. I'm not debating it. At no point have I been debating what the media is like. There wasn't any need to post another example as I was debating the media as a whole, just how silly the example you gave was. Giving more examples doesn't change how silly of an example it was. Beckham was getting criticised by the press not living the lifestyle of a footballer as he started dating a pop star six to eight months after making his debut. His lifestyle was questioned very early on in his career. They were writing negative articles about him very early on. Giggs was very high profile
  25. I have no interest in debating what the media is like. I was just pointing out that was a silly example and explained why. Care to explain what sweeping opinion that is?
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