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http://www.slanjkilts.com/ nice line in 'anyone but england' shirts :D

Well - I was not expecting that. An extremely heartfelt apology and it would be churlish of me to not accept it, although I am not entirely sure I deserve it. You may have been aggressive, but I think I might have been guilty of being condescending – the weapon of a keyboard warrior. There was a time that I would have been offended by some of your comments and might even have lost sleep over them, but it does not take long to get used to message board culture and it all becomes water off a ducks back. So, despite your aggression, no offence was taken. The use of violence to solve problems is totally alien to me, just as the thought of not getting physical is probably alien to you. We will just have to accept that we are different and it would be egotistical in the extreme to rule out the possibility that the other person may have a point. However, I am totally adamant that The Human League’s - Dare! Is most definitely not even in the top one hundred albums of the last thirty years .. on this i will not be moved ;) now, lets break out the nut roast :D

well... i suppose we have a mixture of opinions and facts. It is my opinion that mindless violence is pointless and moronic, whether it be at football or down the pub on a saturday; it is your opinion that it is quite acceptable. Personally i dont feel the need to release any agression - and if i did, i would not release it on somone else that is unrelated to the casue of my agression. I am quite happy with my life, so have no need to let off steam in this way; if i did have something i was not happy with i would do something constructive to put it right, rather than something negative that does not change the cause of my frustration. Yes, i know i sound like some sort of pompous freudian knob, but did the violence really solve whatever it was that was causing you to feel aggressive? Did beating the crap out of someone really make you feel like a man? Did you really need to go to football to do this, rather than just meet another gang of like minded 'lads' somewhere out of the way? if you really wanted to avoid innocents getting hurt, perhaps you should have stayed away from places with large numbers of innocent people crammed into a small space. Clearly we also have a different opinion on what makes a good night down the pub. I have no desire to, and certainly do not have the audacity to think i can, change your opinion on anything. I only got into this debate because you felt you could tell our friend accross the pond the facts of life because he has no experience of what goes on at football; i was merely joining in becasue i have been to many football matches home and away over the last thirty years (following a team that also has a large hooligan element) and do have first hand experince of being around 'terrace culture' and disagree with you. As for the facts - i know nothing about you and cannot comment on what you got up to back in the 80s - however i have seen with my own eyes chelsea getting stuck into people who had no desire to be involved in a good ruck. Fact. You also list a bunch of other clubs where this went on - which slightly undermines the hooligan unwritten code, unless you think that chelsea were the only ones that had this code (just about every hooligan from every club claims to abide by his code) I am not in the least bit surprised that you told me to f*ck off, in fact i would not expect any different. I am off now to write a stiff letter to my paper about this, dont you know -_-

Ah yes, the 70s and 80s, those were the days. Prices were reasonable, politicians were noble, children respected their elders, it never rained in the summer, you could believe what the papers said, the charts were full of good music, television was good, footballers did not drink and were faithful to their wives, multi culturism had not been invented, chocolate bars were bigger, jumpers for goal posts and football lads shook hands before and after a dust up. The difference between football violence now and in the 70s and 80s is that there was more of it then. I was going to football then as well and i recall quite vividly random acts of violence that were not restricted to consenting adults week in week out - and that includes when chelsea visited ninian park and when we visted the bridge. All firms were prone to mindless violence. I seem to remember your mob were called the head hunters, not the choir boys. You, as an individual, might not have got stuck into any 'innocents', but chelsea were by no means restricted by any 'code of practice'. Innocent people getting hurt unintentionally? well thats alright then, serves them right for going to a football match, or getting on a train, or going shopping on a saturday. Heard it all now. Let's suspend reality for a moment and pretend that there was a code of conduct and all firms stuck to it. this is still not acceptable. There is nothing bold, brave or honourable about traveling over the country to beat rival gangs up. They dont call it anti-social behaviour for nothing. Kicking someones teeth out, breaking jaws, breaking legs, having someones eye out, cracking skulls, stabbings - this sort of thing cannot be justified becasue the other person was consentual (i bet they were). This is out of the dark ages. I dont claim to hold the moral high ground, but the fact that you think i do implies that you realise that what you were involved in is morally dubious. You might want to try to justify the unjustifiable, but i think you are in denial, deep down you must know that hooliganism is just moronic. Telling me to f*ck off back to my own forum demonstrates the sort of teritorial chest beating i would expect from somone who thinks it fair game to fight with someone who supports a different football team. How outrageous of me to post on a cardiff thread. Dont worry, i dont intend haning around forever, you will soon be able to go back to your own little world where Chelsea fans doff thier caps to opposing fans and they thank you after they have picked their teeth off the floor. ETA...... I hasten to add, i dont stereotype, i realise that MOST chelsea fans are actually more inteligent than this

Fair enough loz boy, explanation accepted. Surely you can see how it looked though? Anyway, its saturday afternoon - football to worry about :(

MMMM..... interesting that my response to the claims that there is a 'hooligan ethic', pointing out that no such thing exists, is deleted, but the idiotic posts i was responding to remain. Hooliganism is unaceptable where i come from, seems to be something to be proud of on here by the looks. No mater how much people try to kid themselves into believing that there is honour among thugs, the fact is 'innocent' people get hurt by hooligans quite regularly. Just ask the women and children on the busses that were pelted with bricks on the way out of Chelsea last saturday. I am not an easy target from America, i have been watching cardiff home and away for over thirty years, i dont need to do any research to know that the unwritten code of conduct is not worth the paper it is written on. is not brave, its not big and its not clever ... quite the opposite.

And there was me thinking only west ham indulged in exchanging food with away fans. This is after all how the I Chuck Fruit mob got their name

you make that sound old :D

Keeping fans in after the game is generally only done when trouble is expected. As a cardiff fan we do get locked in, but not very often. This is becasue if the home fans are civilised, so are cardiff fans. Did not see any vandalism inside so cant comment on that.

you make it sound like it was all our fault

There to do a job? You make it sound like this is acceptable behaviour. MK Blue was telling me we would be welcomed, yet your lot were having a go at everyone, incuding women and kids. Not big, or clever. You would think they would know better at their age.

Not sure how all this sky malarkey works, but i think you will find that with S4C Digital if you press the red button you will get english commentary.

Okay.. sorry, not cockneys. Does this mean no hospitality then? I can see it now, running riots with pearly kings fighting chelsea pensioners.

sorry, yes.... anything east of the severn bridge is london to me. :(