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Liverpool fan here but I'm not interested in discussing why you hate him or to tell you to stop because we all know that's a waste of time. I just wanna know, where do Chelsea go after Rafa?

All of that said he'll probably score the winner against United tonight eh Fingers crossed man

AVB was a disaster at Chelsea because it was clear he wasn't going to be given any time whatsoever to implement his strategy or what he wanted to achieve there. When he was first appointed by Spurs there were grumblings, which is already a tad tougher for him considering he was welcomed with open arms at Chelsea because of history with Mourinho and success with Porto etc, the results weren't right at first but you just knew, he was not going to be sacked by Levy. He'd have the season and he's getting the season and he's proving himself. If Spurs get 3rd and win the Europa league, well that's a superb season. And they will be well placed to kick on even further from there. Young squad, young manager, smart chairmen, more money to spend, more attractive whereas Chelsea are just a strange side to judge. I have no idea whether they will finish 2nd or 5th. No matter what you reckon will happen, at this point, you gotta give AVB and Daniel Levy some positive recognition.

Hi guys :) I'm a Liverpool fan and I just joined to say how absolutely shocking it is to watch Torres these days, honestly. Most people get a kick out of it, I'm not gonna lie and say I don't get a little bit of one but for the most part, it's actually kind of heartbreaking to see. When Torres first moved, I couldn't quite bare to watch Chelsea play for a long time because I knew he'd be there and I didn't want to see him masquerading around the pitch and celebrating in Chelsea blue when I was so used to seeing him in our red. He was a legend, a hero, a special, special player. The sort that doesn't come around very often, for any club. I notice a few in earlier pages trying to write off his previous successes. Now either you never watched Torres 2007-2010 or you have a poor understanding of what it takes to be a top striker. He was, is, one of the best strikers to have ever graced the Premier League and that's what makes this such a sad state of affairs. You can't discount his pace and movement and say 'without these he'd have been sh*t'.. well of course he would? It just so happens God gifted him with these two talents, as well as an awareness and composure in front of goal that is unheard of. His best attributes were at a world class level and that's what made him world class. I don't subscribe to the argument that Gerrard and Alonso are what made him what he is. This makes it sound like Fernando was incapable of doing anything by himself, he wasn't capable of individual moments of brilliance when in fact, he was. Quite regularly actually. For example, Champions League semi final 2008, at Anfield against Arsenal, 2nd leg.. 1-1, Torres scores the goal that shifts momentum our way, how you say? Simple, one touch, two touch, bang, top corner. For Torres this is the very thing that he has not been doing at Chelsea. The goals he HAS scored have been put on a plate for him (bar a couple) and I'm pretty sure he has still not ever scored a winner for Chelsea. For a 50m number 9 is so shocking words can't fathom it. I can't say I know what's happened to him as I'm not sure it's enough to say 'he's lost a yard' because he does nothing right anymore. I think he just doesn't care anymore. I think he thinks he's gone past the point of redemption and is just waiting for his chance to leave, hide away in obscurity and pretend his time at Chelsea didn't happen. It was clear after his last few months at Liverpool that Torres had an attitude problem.. or at least a mentality issue. He was not trying for us. He sulked on the pitch, he whined, he bitched, he moaned, he did everything but put a shift in. It's why I knew the second all the reports started (despite the lies he told us) that he was definitely off. He only tried in the big games i.e. Chelsea away. Part of it was Hodgson of course, Torres didn't believe in him for one second and that was true for most people associated with Liverpool at the time, money was tight, fans were in protest, everything at the club was in turmoil so he was seen as our smallest problem. He had excuses made for him at Liverpool.. "oh he's playing in a sh*t team" "Gerrard's off form" "Hodgson's playing style doesn't suit him" blah blah etc. None of that accounted for the scowl he had painted on his face 24/7. When Hodgson was sacked and Kenny appointed, Torres seemed to look a little bit lively again. But alas, it was all a bit late and a few weeks later he moved to Chelsea and no one could have foreseen that everything we had experienced in that last few months with him around would have been magnified 10 fold at Chelsea. On a final point, when/if he does leave, where the hell is he going to go? How much of a hit are Chelsea willing to take on this one? I keep seeing reports of 15m etc.. that's mad? Who would pay that plus his sky high wages?