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AVB - Where would Chelsea be if he wasn't sacked?


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Just wateched the Spurs - Inter game. I hate to admit that Spurs are looking impressive and ABV shoud take credit for it. I then thought to myself where we would have been if he wasn't sacked... Any comments?

Probably where we are now but without a champions league and another fa cup trophy to our name.........

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Who knows.

He wasn't right for us, Robbie was then got sacked.

Jose was right for us and got sacked.

Rafa was wrong for us and is unsackable!

Chelsea eh!

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We would not be winning the cups, out of CL this year had we kept AVB.

 

He came in couple of years too early. He learnt from his mistakes and did a better job at Spurs. However Spurs should be no where near us on the league table had we kept RDM in charge. I honestly don't read much into Europa form, even through I was disappointed by our performance last night.

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I think people are overrating AVB a bit at Spurs. They have one more point than they had this time last year under Harry. He inherited a good team that spent most of last season in 3rd, has none of the pressure, expectations and egos that he had to deal with here, and has also benefited from Chelsea and Arsenal being in complete disarray. Harry also beat Inter, when they were reigning European champions, although to be fair the Rafa effect had set in by then. The biggest compliment AVB can be given so far is he seems to have learned from his mistakes here and he's maintained Spurs' level.

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Of course there is the possibility that had AVB stayed we would, just as we did, have gone on to win the CL and FA cup and then he is sacked after a couple of bad  games early this season, doubtful yes, but how many people expected RDM to get sacked?

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I think people are overrating AVB a bit at Spurs. They have one more point than they had this time last year under Harry. He inherited a good team that spent most of last season in 3rd, has none of the pressure, expectations and egos that he had to deal with here, and has also benefited from Chelsea and Arsenal being in complete disarray. Harry also beat Inter, when they were reigning European champions, although to be fair the Rafa effect had set in by then. The biggest compliment AVB can be given so far is he seems to have learned from his mistakes here and he's maintained Spurs' level.

 

The difference between AVB and Redknapp is that AVB's Spurs have been consistent, instead of imploding at the turn of the year.

 

On paper, Spurs easily have a squad as good as, if not better, than Inter.

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I think people are overrating AVB a bit at Spurs. They have one more point than they had this time last year under Harry. He inherited a good team that spent most of last season in 3rd, has none of the pressure, expectations and egos that he had to deal with here, and has also benefited from Chelsea and Arsenal being in complete disarray. Harry also beat Inter, when they were reigning European champions, although to be fair the Rafa effect had set in by then. The biggest compliment AVB can be given so far is he seems to have learned from his mistakes here and he's maintained Spurs' level.

 

To be fair they lost two very high quality players in Modric and VDV and whilst their replacements such as Dembele and Sigurdsson are qualtiy they aren't really in the same ball park. Think the most credit has to go to him for the way he is truly unleashing Bale on the league. Taken him to a whole new level. 

 

I did like AVB and was dissappointed when he got sacked, however he had lost our dressing room and the team just wasn't playing for him so we were on a sharp downward trajectory. Unfortunately he just wasn't a good fit for the club. Saying that far, far, faaaaaaaaar more suitable for us than that rather large bearded man in charge right now

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The thing is when AVB came to Chelsea he was charged with overhauling our play style and beginning to move on some of the more senior players.

 

However the player sales and recruitment when he came in made his job more difficult because he was being expected to play a certain way (attacking direct football) but with the squad that was used to playing mostly on the counter built on a solid defense.

 

So instantly he is trying to fit a round peg through a square hole.

 

Had he had the likes of Hazard, Moses and Oscar to choose from I think he would have been more successful.

 

He wanted to, ironically now it would seem, sign Scott Parker and Luca Modric because he probably felt we needed to move the ball quicker in midfield.

 

I also believe he wanted Willian as well who is a similar player to Oscar and Hazard.

 

So AVB tries to overhaul the team and play style but isn't given the tools to do so.

 

He's sacked when it isn't working and in comes RDM who can revert to type and gets us back to playing the style of football that squad was suited to and managed to be successful.

 

I think laying the blame squarely on AVB was his failure is unfair on him because he is showing at Spurs that he is capable of playing his style of football and recruiting decent players.  

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Agreed, I knew he was a good manager and would do well elsewhere but he was the wrong person at the wrong time.

I totally agree with this. I think he is a very good manager but he joined us too young and when our big name players were too old (and had too much power). I said when he was sacked he would go on to prove us wrong and although it is a little early to say he has done, he is on his way there imo.

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I don't think it is possible to compare what he has done at Spurs with what he achieved/did not achieve/could possibly have achieved at Chelsea. You are talking about two different clubs, with different personnel and a completely different set up with regards to Roman's influence. Different managers suit different clubs and maybe the set up at Spurs just suits him better - they don't have the high expectations that we have, no disrespect intended but there is a hell of a lot more pressure to succeed at Chelsea than anywhere else and you need to make that immediate impact or you're out. That's why Jose did so well and why nobody else has matched him since. I never thought AVB was a bad manager and I think that he could have actually done a good job at Chelsea if he came at a different time but it just wasn't the right time for him and us!

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At the end of the day...He isnt here....We dont know what the eventuality would have been .We have who we have and are fourth with Europa cup and FA Cup still available......still something to look forward to no matter what most of you blues think.....Id be happy with one or both of those trophys

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well our champions league group stage performance would beg to disagree with you Sir.

Lets be honest last nights team were hardly Juve were they? Brentford were a tougher team than the pub side we played last night.

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AVB came at the wrong time...it would still be the wrong time now. maybe in 2 or 3 years but back then and now, i dont think we were a good fit.

 

now, Carlo Ancelloti is a different matter - a classy manager, who i think would have done well with this team.

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i have to agree that AVB is very lucky to walk into a team with bale in good form which was following from last season! take bale out and AVB will not be where he is now.

Annoys me that people genuinely believe this.

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I think people forget how bad we were at times under Carlo. No doubt he is a lovely man but in the champions league both years we were taught a lesson by Inter and then United. It was shameful those two games against united. Also lets not forget that the first season didnt really turn around until we were knocked out of the Champions league. That season United went on to the CL final i believe.

As much as Carlo was a nice guy and i respect him for the way he handled himself while at the club i never was convinced by him as our manager.

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