RJBOfficial

Yep, problem with going on another forum?

What’s the point of a forum if everyone is forced to have the same opinion, sounds more like a cult to me

Silly childish name calling as usual from people who can’t refute my points but I’m the troll? Still not as funny as the people claiming Cesc wasn’t athletic enough and didn’t “control” games only to heap praise on a player leagues below him

I’ve dismissed literally every notable counter argument and ignored the rest, no one has legitimately addressed his horrific lack of athleticism and how easily/often he gets outsmuscled making him woefully out of his depth as a PL base midfielder, as well as his lack of creativity on the ball not making up for it (stolen assists videos are embarrassing when he has 2 in 40+ games)

Cesc was a world class passer of the ball, his deficiencies were worth covering because he had a true creative output with his ability to progress the ball and his expansive range, not the same for players who can’t contribute at that level

Disagreeing is one thing but labelling someone a troll because you’re too f**king stupid to come up with a genuine counter argument is pathetic tbh, having a weird emotional attachment to an average player only makes you right in your own little bubble. Says a lot that barely any rival fans rate him at all (because he does nothing of note to be rated so highly)

Fernandinho was one of the best DMs in the world last season who had to make fouls due to playing in an extremely aggressive system which relied on “tactical” fouling, Jorginho also plays in an aggressive system but has to foul or else he won’t get near quicker/stronger players on the counter, which makes it weird when people say he’s improved because this system makes him look even worse than last season

*Most of his bookings were due to his lack of athleticism to stop counterattacks, 4 bookings in 8 games isn’t normal

The same fans that were slaughtering him under Sarri are praising him under Lampard despite playing the same position with the same dogsh*t performances and virtually no improvement or difference Let’s not forget his (lack of) presence in midfield has directly led to goals like the Norwich game but people chose to scapegoat the CBs constantly left exposed by him, he’s still highly unathletic/weak and very unsuited to the Prem but please continue to ignore his weaknesses

He's being a troll so ignore him I guess every pundit in England is a troll too for not rating a poor midfielder with minimal effect on the games (when you actually watch them properly so not half this forum)

Honestly can’t see why he’s getting so much praise when he seems just as poor as last season with his defensive shortcomings, 4 bookings already because players bypass him so easily and he can’t screen a defence to save his life

At fault for yet another goal? Hmmm

Don’t understand why people think he’s massively improved, he’s seems just as bad with a horrific lack of athleticism for the PL and unable to protect the back line

Hudson Odoi the big difference maker 2 games in a row including a UCL match, have you still “not seen evidence” that he’ll be a top player? Clown

100%, think some people were intentionally undermining how good his performances thinking that he might possibly leave the club, if he does fulfil his potential here those same fans will look a bit foolish

The stats I posted were just a summary of what he’s done so far which has been very good, I never once implied he would score every game in the PL. Maybe people in this forum are a bit upset (wrongly) for him handing in a tranfer request, but the reality is he’s a Chelsea fan who could have left for a better Bayern side to be a long term starter, where the #10 shirt was promised, but he’s decided to commit. If you believe he’s going to hand in a transfer request after becoming established, then maybe you should look at last season’s stats before January to see why he made the decision, and it worked because his game time increased. Ultimately he’s a top prospect whether you personally or others see it or not, and I could imagine lots of Chelsea fans changing their attitude towards him in 6-12 months like they did shamelessly with RLC

Except that he’s signed it as soon as he’s set to return from injury? Perfect PR timing tbh

Luckily those demanding won’t be anywhere near as talented as one of our best players

You really think that’s more important than PR purposes?

Not bad data, accurate data based on CHO’s (brilliant) performances

It’s done he’s signed, hopefully the people in this forum stop talking nonsense about his attitude/commitment to the club

Jorginho is not a great player, playing passes within a 5 yard range does not make you “vital” to any team especially considering his defensive horror shows, and he does not have the long passing range or dribbling ability to dictate any game in the PL. Again I’m willing to bet he’s not a starting player by the end of the season

One of Ruben’s best attributes is driving with the ball, using his combined dribbling technique and physical presence. If he starts higher up the pitch he’s less able to do that and could have less impact, he’s brilliant at progressing the ball from deeper areas and maybe the best midfield dribbler in our squad

Jorginho is nowhere near a guarantee like Kante, there’s nothing which suggests that other than him playing when our other options are injured. As for Ruben, it was Lampard himself who suggested he could play in a deeper role, again putting Jorginho’s role in the team under question

No, he didn’t start on the left mainly because we had one of the best left wingers in the world last year, you surely couldn’t expect him to start there every game? It’s also not bad data as you can only judge him when he’s played, and if you don’t think he’s an upgrade on Pulisic and Pedro then I highly suggest rewatching Chelsea games