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I won't call myself an expert on the subject but I wouldn't say it is a rising problem. It has existed for awhile now but by the sounds of it that game was worse than any other game.

I would say that some supporter groups in Italy are worse than those in other countries. I've heard that one supporter group for Roma is quite bad. The whole lot is slightly insane. They were the ones throwing a penny on Anders Frisks head. One of the few good things they've done icon_wink.gif

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I won't call myself an expert on the subject but I wouldn't say it is a rising problem. It has existed for awhile now but by the sounds of it that game was worse than any other game.

I would say that some supporter groups in Italy are worse than those in other countries. I've heard that one supporter group for Roma is quite bad. The whole lot is slightly insane. They were the ones throwing a penny on Anders Frisks head. One of the few good things they've done icon_wink.gif

Yeah they call themselves "Ultras". They carry around pick axes to fights outside the games icon_eek.gif . A good old fashioned punch up I can understand if not condone but that takes it wayyy too far

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My guess is you are referring to the Ultras. Of course I am aware of this being an issue in Italian football for some time however I am not keen on going down the line of tarnishing the whole of Italian football with their evil brush.

I guess my query was whether there has been a recent upsurge in trouble.

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My guess is you are referring to the Ultras. Of course I am aware of this being an issue in Italian football for some time however I am not keen on going down the line of tarnishing the whole of Italian football with their evil brush.

I guess my query was whether there has been a recent upsurge in trouble.

I think there has. If I'm not mistaking there was another death not long ago. Don't much about it though.

The Italian football can't control the supporters and every now and then there's an upsurge of trouble. Now they have cancelled the games this weekend but that won't have any effect.

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It's not just Italy, the French have had trouble recently too. PSG had a supporter killed in a clash with police and had to play a match behind closed doors I think. And somewhere else (Marseille? Rennes?) there was a case of a firefighter losing a couple fingers due to a flare thrown from the crowd.

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Sorry for my delays, I am a little busy and after all it is the weekend! I have been drunk this weekend.

A police captain was killed by some type of 'paper bomb' outside the stadium, they threw it into his car. The match provoked the violence but it was going to happen regardless, there are now a lot of political interventions but I am too tired to go into it now- tomorrow I will explain.

I would compare it to decades ago in england, one of those games that people prepare for and organised idiots know what they come for. I think over a hundred were taken to hospital from the fights including a couple of police who are in serious conditions, though not life threatening...

It started during the match and i think it was some catania vomit-burgers that got him.. the match was stopped, in any case, there is video http://www.gazzetta.it/ there of after the match.

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They're now talking about cancelling the entire season in Italy. That would be a huge blow for the teams.

I don't think it will solve the situation. In fact it might make it worse.

How do you come up with a way that punishes the bad fans but not the good fans and the teams?

In a game where there's like 20000 in the stands it only takes a few to ruin it.

Now I have to ask you guys (and girls) in England how you managed to get your problem with the fans under control?

And is that solution a reason for the high ticket prices?

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The problem is Moos that systems for keeping outknown hooligans, video surveillance everywhere, the bag and other checks are new, so they do not know the trouble makers of all ages.

Pauly

I remember you making a post to this effect a while ago (was it on the old forum?) which is why I was curious. Are these measures not working or is it that they are still being bedded in and some club maybe carry them out better than others.

English football knows full well about trying to eradicate (or at least minimise) hooliganism in fotball and it is a huge, and time consuming, task. There are no easy fixes.

I have a real problem with cancelling a season (although obviously you have to take account of the risk factor) - the vast majority of football fans (in any country, be that England, Italy, Turkey, Holland, France etc) are not hooligans and enjoy their football peacefully.

Cancelling football punishes them a lot more than it does the hooligans and the long term damage to the game is enormous. You only have to look howe long it took English football to recover from the 5 year European ban to realise that.

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It's difficult to know the progress of the security measures imposed last year, however I think clubs should be now up with the laws- obviously i am not in a position to say whether they are, more than that i am checked head to foot whenever i go to watch triestina play and with the metal detector- and i have not done any reading on it...

There are ways around it though obviously as we saw friday, but as i was saying the main problem is the length of time these systems have been involved- in england generations of scum has been banned and recognised, here... there will obviously be massive bans and punishments for the beginning of the filtering process... i don't know.. just think of it like communism or facism, in the first year there are a lot more people to recognise then it thins out! ok.. average analogy!

pauly

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