World Cup 2022 Semi-automated offside technology

[RomansRoubles]

I have to say I am pretty impressed and about time. There will be initial pains but there should be better decision making. It will eliminate all the arbitrary lines they put during Pool games. Hope it comes to the PL soon.

 

[drjonesy1994]

Thanks for sharing this - the video is really helpful. I read about this on the athletic last night and didn't really understand how the technology would be used. Good to see from the example in that video they are discounting hands and arms being in an offside position.

If it was to be implemented in the Premier League I imagine it would come at significant cost to the clubs. When VAR was introduced I believe the clubs had to pay for pitchside monitors etc to be installed, but if this is implemented it means the installation of at least 12 high technology cameras, and potentially an additional VAR/ Referee room (Unless all decisions will still be communicated from the VAR hub at Stockley park)

Overall this can only be a good thing, because it will reduce the time taken for those really tight offside calls. I still wish there would be more benefit of the doubt given to attackers when it is a marginal decision but I suppose that will never happen now with technology like this. 

[Blue2]

I mean to remember, i don't know when it was or who it was, but I think maybe last year or two years ago, that there was an argument about the marginal offside calls with VAR in place and how it would take the emotions out of goal celebrations, where someone expressed the idea to simplify the offside rule into fullbody offside.

So that it would just be offside if a player would be positioned with his complete body in front of the last defender of the opposition team. He meant something like, that based on the dynamic and the psychology of the game it would make absolutely no sense to to take goals away, because for example, in the buildup 30 meters from goal the attacker is positioned marginal and completely insignificant to the ingame situation in front of the defender, sometimes even with a part of his body with which scoring goals from that distance are practical anomalies.

I agreed with this logic and thought this would actually be a great idea, which than would mean, in the majority of offside situations the eye of a trained linesmen would propably be accurate enough to catch it in real time and if its a tight situation there would be VAR and would just have to draw one line where the attacker ends to see if it goes through the defender to be sure.

The reality instead is, that in the near future probably every top league club needs expensive equipment worth hundredthousands or even millions of euro/pound to catch margin offside positions in real time?

To me that sounds economically absolutely absurd. So the thought process of this people really was that they need to produce technology worth millions when they just could do a simple rule change? Bizarre.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Blue2
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[The Rising Sun]

On 01/07/2022 at 15:52, Blue2 said:

I mean to remember, i don't know when it was or who it was, but I think maybe last year or two years ago, that there was an argument about the marginal offside calls with VAR in place and how it would take the emotions out of goal celebrations, where someone expressed the idea to simplify the offside rule into fullbody offside.

So that it would just be offside if a player would be positioned with his complete body in front of the last defender of the opposition team. He meant something like, that based on the dynamic and the psychology of the game it would make absolutely no sense to to take goals away, because for example, in the buildup 30 meters from goal the attacker is positioned marginal and completely insignificant to the ingame situation in front of the defender, sometimes even with a part of his body with which scoring goals from that distance are practical anomalies.

I agreed with this logic and thought this would actually be a great idea, which than would mean, in the majority of offside situations the eye of a trained linesmen would propably be accurate enough to catch it in real time and if its a tight situation there would be VAR and would just have to draw one line where the attacker ends to see if it goes through the defender to be sure.

The reality instead is, that in the near future probably every top league club needs expensive equipment worth hundredthousands or even millions of euro/pound to catch margin offside positions in real time?

To me that sounds economically absolutely absurd. So the thought process of this people really was that they need to produce technology worth millions when they just could do a simple rule change? Bizarre.

I spent the most of one day believing a newspaper report that the FA were introducing computerised football's that would automatically roll back to where it had crossed the line.

April the 1st !  I was gutted for ballbal boys who were to lose their jobs !

And now the improbable looks to be here !

Edited October 15, 2022 by The Rising Sun
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[The Rising Sun]

On 01/07/2022 at 12:37, drjonesy1994 said:

Thanks for sharing this - the video is really helpful. I read about this on the athletic last night and didn't really understand how the technology would be used. Good to see from the example in that video they are discounting hands and arms being in an offside position.

If it was to be implemented in the Premier League I imagine it would come at significant cost to the clubs. When VAR was introduced I believe the clubs had to pay for pitchside monitors etc to be installed, but if this is implemented it means the installation of at least 12 high technology cameras, and potentially an additional VAR/ Referee room (Unless all decisions will still be communicated from the VAR hub at Stockley park)

Overall this can only be a good thing, because it will reduce the time taken for those really tight offside calls. I still wish there would be more benefit of the doubt given to attackers when it is a marginal decision but I suppose that will never happen now with technology like this. 

Wasn't VAR supposed to draw a thicker offside line on the screen to help the attacking player ?

Marginal decisions are killing the game.