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Mr Voorhees

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    Mr Voorhees reacted to Kentonio in Time to start worrying???   
    I can see why people think there's something wrong, but I think the picture is being distorted, mainly by a combination of City's spending and amazing season so far. Like right now for instance, we're unbeaten in 10 games and have only conceded 4 goals in that time. Obviously there's been far too many draws in there, but its hardly a picture of disaster, yet a lot of poeple are reacting as if we were on a 5 game losing streak. With our transfers, we have a shiny new striker, some great squad additions (which we were saying endlessly last season that we desperately needed) and a young defender come back off loan who looks a match for pretty much any CB in the country. Despite this, City spent a quite insane amount of money and so our spending looks inadequate. 
    My point being, if you just look at us and ignore City for a minute, the picture really isn't that bleak. It could certainly be better of course, we'd all love to see Sandro signing for one thing, but we're a long way from a crisis as far as I can see. Oh and if you ignore the tabloids and listen to what Eden and Thibault are actually saying themselves, they're both intending to sign new contracts.
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    Mr Voorhees reacted to Dorset in Distorted view through 'a good transfer window'   
    “Football, from its birth as a Victorian leisure product, has always been, at bottom, a business. But this is something else. When the variables of league positions and on-field glory are increasingly narrow, when signings are cheered like goals by the digital diaspora, when having a “good window” is a season’s goal, commerce really is beginning to intrude inside the chalk markings.”
    Barney Ronay (The Guardian, 2nd Sept, 2017)
    Admit it. Deadline Day is meant to end in the blues for us Blues. Reportedly flush with net spend cash and hell bent on consolidating our position at the top of the Premier League money tree, it was ever thus and whether it be under Jose, Carlo, or as now seems to be the case with Antonio, we simply cannot make the required transition when actually in transition. But, as Barney Ronay points out above, in this paragraph from his latest article, are we really surprised that this relatively straightforward act of progression is beyond our club's capabilities, individual great managerial abilities or, of late with stadia costs looming, Roman's sensibilities, and especially when the commerce, the hype and all the excess has become even more important than the game itself? Logic suggests that it shouldn't be like this, but we are going way beyond financial sense now, heading deep into Ronay's diaspora territory where the scattergun rules and even Arsene Wenger bids £93m for a player.
    In truth, this transfer window has not so much been about the story, but the telling of it. For example, when we land a big fish like Alvaro Morata and comparison is made with Romelu Lukaku the media men and pundits emphasis is immediately placed on Premier League experience rather than Champions League appearances, thereby toeing the it's-my-party line and I'll-buy-if-I-want-to attitude that now pervades PSG, Manchester and, since Philippe Coutinho became a wanted man and Bill Kenwright got into bed with Iranian billionaire and ex-Arsenal shareholder Farhad Moshiri, both red and blue halves of Liverpool as well. Of course, I hear you say, the Fourth Estate was bound to peddle the pro-Mancunian argument that Rom was worth the extra money whereas Alvaro is no more than an untried and untested risk, yet by stark contrast and fast-forwarding to Deadline Day you will hardly hear mention made of Danny Drinkwater's league-winning 'experience' above the babble of criticism based on him being over-priced, over here and unworthy of a supporting actor's role in our line-up, even if it does now mean that he is reacquainted with N'Golo Kante, last season's Chelsea star of the Premiership show.
    No, apparently this counts for nothing in a print world that would have us believe our constant fears of a sterile Matic/Kante midfield were completely unfounded and still periodically panders to Jose's mock astonishment that we should ever have let the Serb go, to him of all people and United in particular. How silly we were to shoot ourselves in the foot in this way and how regretful we will be whenever he makes an interception, sets up an attack, shields the defence, or merely turns up wearing a red shirt. Moreover, Drinkwater's arrival means comparison with Matic is an easy one to make, assuming him to be his replacement rather than Bakayoko, whereas anyone who watched Monaco last season knows we have upgraded on Matic with this signing and Danny has been brought in specifically to partner Kante in a 3-5-2 formation, or be the insurance man from the subs bench when 3-4-3 is deployed. Whether Chalobah or Loftus-Cheek could have performed this role is a debate for another day and another forum, but for the moment I think it safe to say that the outlay is justified, if for no other reason than our net spend figures are good when compared to those of the northern juggernauts.
    However, not so when it comes to 'gross splurge', as Ronay puts it is his piece, which is why he is one of many telling the story in such slanted terms. Here there is an overall rise of 23% on last year’s spending in the Premier League with Manchester City the biggest gross spenders on £215m, followed by £180m from Chelsea, then Manchester United and Everton on £145m. This is the less acceptable face of football capitalism as far as Chelsea is concerned and it will also be the one that is most repeated, but it hides a multitude of cold, hard facts and figures that make a mockery of the contention, for instance, that United has had by far the better transfer window. Even using gross spend [cost of moves in] as the common denominator, Chelsea achieved the following:- Álvaro Morata Real Madrid £58m; Tiémoué Bakayoko Monaco £39.7m; Antonio Rüdiger Roma £29m; Davide Zappacosta Torino £25.8m; Willy Caballero Manchester City free, whereas, for only £35m less United merely acquired Romelu Lukaku Everton £75m; Nemanja Matic Chelsea £40m; Victor Lindelof Benfica £31m; Zlatan Ibrahimovic free agent.
    So, to suggest that we did so poorly in the marketplace compared to United when we brought in these five players and they ended up one player less, even taking into account the hokey-cokeying Zlatan, is to stretch credulity to incredible lengths in most peoples worlds, but not, it would appear, in our footballing sphere. Indeed, even Ronay's curiously dampened down verdict on both clubs dealings seems to confirm the media myopia that surrounds the game at present, with efforts [ours and theirs] assessed as follows:-
    “Chelsea kept missing out on their man, no doubt leaving Antonio Conte tearing out his chestnut-brown nylon weave at times. But Danny Drinkwater is a good signing and Tiémoué Bakayoko a fascinating one: Bakayoko is a convincing midfield cruiser, although the Premier League may ruffle that splendid strolling style.
    Manchester United have handled the window well, buying early then getting out. Romelu Lukaku seems a much better deal now than he did at the start of the hyper-inflationary summer. No goals conceded in the Premier League, no pieces to be integrated through the autumn: this is a damage-free window.”
    Strange, is it not, that in the space of just two paragraphs Chelsea move from missing their men to finding both a good and then splendid one, while United shift uneasily from having a well window to one that is merely damage-free. Distortion is clearly the order of any Deadline Day and the assessments subsequently hang on its coattails, but when brought into sharper focus, Chelsea have made good signings and now have this strong squad:-
    Goalkeepers: Thibaut Courtois, Willy Caballero, Eduardo CBs: David Luiz, Cesar Azpilicueta, Gary Cahill, Antonio Rudiger, Andreas Christensen, Jake Clarke Salter WBs: Davide Zappacosta, Victor Moses, Marcos Alonso, Abdul Rahman Baba, Kenedy CMs: Cesc Fabregas, Tiemoue Bakayoko, N’Golo Kante, Danny Drinkwater, Kyle Scott Wingers/Forwards: Eden Hazard, Pedro, Willian, Charly Musonda CFs: Alvaro Morata, Michy Batshuayi
    Only time will tell whether this squad is good enough to defend the title and also have a half-decent shot at the Champions League, but it is far from the shambles some would have us believe and quite close to the finished article that might emerge after the January window opens and an additional big striker signing is made to offset Diego's departure.
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    Mr Voorhees reacted to Remy10 in Deadline Day Drama   
    There have been a lot of odd situations and missed deals this window, not only for us but others too. Personally, I don't know why Ox was a target when he clearly didn't want to play the position Conte wanted him to play (that's partly why he was leaving Arsenal), by the sounds of it we never put a bid in for Llorente, and Barkley was a truly odd situation. I think it's easy to play the 'CHELSEA SNUBBED' card by the sensationalist media; by all accounts Lemar snubbed Arsenal but that got mostly reported as a deal that 'broke down'. Best to take these things with a healthy dose of scepticism. 
    Deadline day is a complete circus, and looking at it a bit more objectively (and taking into account the whole window) we've signed Morata from Real Madrid, Bakayoko from a great Monaco side and a promising young defender in Rudiger who has already helped the German national team to a trophy. Then yesterday we got a very useful HG midfielder in Drinkwater (who already has a relationship with Kante and experience winning the league) and, by the sounds of it, some depth at wingback with a player who is a perfect fit for Conte's style. On top of that it looks like Christensen is going to get a chance, Musonda as well perhaps (although to a lesser extent). Yeah we've lost Matic and a few young players which was all genuinely disappointing, but with the guys we've brought into the defence and Luiz's flexibility, we have a few different tactical options that we didn't have last season.
    It's obviously not been a huge success, but at the same time it's easy to focus on the negatives and call it a failure. It certainly would've been useful to have a couple more players for even more depth, but it's not the disaster it was looking like at 10 to 11 when Football Focus were reporting the Drinkwater deal looked unlikely, we hadn't announced Zappacosta and I went to bed.  Hopefully it's enough to at least keep Conte from walking and he has a squad he can work with. It's still unlikely we can challenge on all fronts, but that's tough regardless of squad size. We all know that trophies aren't won, or bought, in the transfer window, so here's hoping the squad we do have can do us proud. 
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    Mr Voorhees reacted to Cam in Danny Drinkwater   
    Maybe he thought they said, "Drink of water?"
    He responds with "Yes please"
    They leave the room to speak to Leicester and Antonio is left sitting at the table wondering where his water is.
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    Mr Voorhees reacted to foxedup in Danny Drinkwater   
    Clearly your manager is off his rocker also?
    And yes, I think he's better than Dier who is one of the most overrated one dimensional footballers I've ever seen. Drinkwater beats him in almost all attacking and defensive stats for the last two seasons, despite playing with far worse players. Put him with better players and he'll only improve. 
    Where have I said I want him to go, last time I checked what I say on the internet has no bearing on whether a transfer happens or not. I'm coming on here and telling you what he's like. I don't expect you to believe me, I had exactly the same reaction from your fans when I said Kante was a monster. All I had back was "he's not better than Matic, he's not better than x, y and z, he's a one season wonder, he can't pass..." blah blah.
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    Mr Voorhees reacted to enigma in I am expecting a 2015/16 season repeat again   
    i get people's concerns, but the entitlement is staggering. just because we won the league last season, doesn't give us a right to win it again. of course it will be tough next season, but all these hypotheticals are growing a bit tedious. we have heard these same hypothetical arguments for the last 2/3 seasons now and the clubs who're supposed to win the league never did. we have won the league 2x in the last 3 years, but now city and utd are favourites? well it's about time is it not, considering how disappointing they've been this past few seasons.
    spurs have bought nobody and yet they could surprise everyone again. maybe even liverpool to suprise next season or maybe somebody else could come along and surprise. we really have zero idea what is going to happen. the season we had in 2014/15 was a total anomaly for us. i would say we had a weaker squad then because of the players in the squad who were aging and no longer reliable and actually hindered us. i feel we have a better all around squad now in terms of quality, younger, with a coach who will motivate the team to fight hard to compete. this is the reason i have confidence we can have a good run next season again. hey, we'll probably be underdogs again, but that's fine because it means we can look to suprise once again. 
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    Mr Voorhees reacted to dkw in I am expecting a 2015/16 season repeat again   
    Christ on a bike some of our fans are patheticly weak  willed, absolutely no fight in them, like a bunch of torres's. Get a grip you wet flannel.
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    Mr Voorhees got a reaction from DonAntonio in Tiémoué Bakayoko   
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