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No one has suggested that Pulisic was unknown. That must be your psychosis talking. He was known as the 16 year old American prospect that looked promising when he broke through, had massive hype back home but struggled massively in the senior game and was receiving constant criticism and articles asking what went wrong for him before we signed him. It's just baffling how you could claim he was the best young player in Europe. It's such a laughable claim to begin with but then when you take into account he was being benched by 2 much more talented and in Sancho's case a year younger teenagers it's just hilarious. I do like how you've already climbed down to "one of the best youngsters in Europe now" long way to go to get to were Pulisic was when we signed him. When we signed Pulisic he was pretty much in an identical position to were CHO is now. Looked promising as a 16 year old, didn't kick on, had some injuries, failed to establish himself in the team and doesn't generally perform when he does play. Pulisic was a case of bad scouting and even worse negotiation. We absolutely needed a young talented Winger. Not a bench warmer that made Willian look prolific. It's another in a long list of cases of Marina and her team of scouts identify the wrong players, and paying ridiculous fees for them. Arguably the worst case.

I'll try one last time to educate you but I really do think you're a lost cause. If you think this is some kind of majority consensus debate here are the largest collection of comments from around the Internet when we signed Pulisic. There are not the comments of us signing a talented player or getting a good deal. They don't make good reading unfortunately. We were quite rightly laughed at for the fee we paid. You most likely hadn't heard of Pulisic at the time but the facts don't change because you don't understand them or if you get 2 likes on a forum 🤣 You can also look at the comments at the start of the Pulisic thread here. Pretty much everyone has been in consensus from day 1 than Marina had been badly ripped off again as she usual is when we sign anyone.

Then I strongly recommend you get the medication you need because your level of delusion isn't normal. Anyone who thinks Pulisic was the most promising teenager in Europe when we signed him really needs the medication. He wasn't even the most promising teenage Winger in his own team! And had been benched by younger more talented players at Dortmund. Sancho and Dembele were both far better. Pulisic looked a decent talent in his debut season because he was performing well for a 16 year old, however he didn't improve at all, regressed during his time in the senior team, didn't manage a single good season and at the point we signed him was heavily criticised as not being good enough by Dortmund fans and couldn't get near the team. They'd actually criticised him heavily for the last 2 years. I fear you've fell into the trap of assuming a player you'd never heard of must have been good because we paid a huge fee for him but Pulisics star was already faded when we paid a ludicrous fee for him. A poorly performing bench warmer with 1 year left on his contract shouldn't be costing 58m. Both Marina and you really need your heads examined if you think that looked a reasonable fee at the time.

What are you talking about? Kepa was linked with Real Madrid 6 months prior to us signing him when he had an £18m release clause because he was seen as a potential young home grown backup to Navas/Courtois. Zidane and the Madrid execs then decided against the signing because they didn't think Kepa was good enough to be a back up for them and didn't think he was worth his £18m release clause. The rest of your post is irrelevant waffle, him being a waste of money and his position in the Bilbao squad has nothing to do with how poorly Marina negotiated to give him 170K a week. I'm not even commenting on the transfer fee or what a monumental disaster must have occurred within our scouting department that we even looked at Kepa who was average for Bilbao. People scapegoat Courtois but we really shouldn't have been so poorly prepared when it came to signing a replacement. For a club of our size not having a backup plan in such a key position was embarrassing. As for pointing fingers? It's the Marina thread and she's been disastrous for us. Hopefully she's gone within the week and we can all put the nightmare of her being associated with the club behind us. It's going to take a lot longer to undo all the damage she's caused though many of the contracts she signed we won't be able to shift. Actually Kepa's ludicrous contract will likely be the last Marina masterclass left staining the squad.

Why do you embarrass yourself tying yourself in knots to claim things aren't on Marina? She's the head negotiator ffs if us vastly overpaying for contracts isn't on Marina who is it on? Who's responsibility is it in your world? Nunez is coming off the back of a great season and has leverage to command high wages because there's so many clubs interested. If Liverpool didn't want to pay him more than 50K a week he'd have just joined United and got what he wanted Nobody wanted Kepa, there was no battle, He wasn't coming off the back of a good season. He was on 35K a week and no one was offering more. There's no feasible reason why Marina would offer him 170K a week on a 7 year contract or why Kepa would turn down 70K a week because he has no hope of earning that elsewhere. From a financial, business and football stand point it's an insane contract that no one with any kind of negotiational skills or understanding of either basic finance or the game would sanction. How many clubs in the world can pay 170K a week to a goal keeper? Not many and those that can often have top class goal keepers so when you offer a keeper 170K a week you create a situation where it's next to impossible to get him off the wage bill if he isn't world class which is where we are now. It's just terrible by Marina and I'm not sure how you can attempt to defend it with "If Kepa was the best keeper in the world it would be a good signing it isn't her fault he's not been good on the pitch"

Another post of no value. I'm not sure what your point is? Generally players command higher wages when they move to a big club because they're moving on the back of good performances and they can they command a higher fee. All the players you had listed had done that aside from Zouma who while good for us really needed the pay rise to be encourage him to move to West Ham who likely weren't the most appealing option for him Some of our players like Havertz and Werner are in that category even though we pay them a huge amount for what they've shown. They had leverage prior to us signing them. But that's very different to signing people like Pulisic, Kepa, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, RLC etc to big money contracts. These players sucked at their previous clubs or had no leverage and were incredibly lucky to be considered by us, no other top club would ever have looked at them and they know that. Why are we then offering them huge salaries? Liverpool sign quality players like Diaz and pay them less than 60K a week because the players are desperate for the opportunity to play at the top level. How does Marina manage to pay someone like Kepa 170K a week when he was average at Bilbao, no other club wanted him and he was on £35K a week there? There's absolutely no way he'd have turned down 70K and the opportunity to play at a level he'd never get the chance to play at again. Why is master negotiater Marina consistantly offering such ridiculous wages particularly to players that have no leverage or other options to earn half the amount we offer them? It's the hallmark of her Tenure.

Why do her stans always pretend people don't know her role when they try to defend her? It's the go to defence even when it makes no sense regarding anything that has been said. No one has suggested she picks the players. The fees we pay for incoming players that she negotiates and the terrible contracts she negotiates are where she earns a lot of her criticism. Very very rarely do we sign a player where it looks like we haven't drastically overpaid when we announce the deal. Look at our incomings during her tenure. In what way has she been exceptional? And how many terrible players do we have on such huge contracts we can't give them away? She's exceptional for players agents and selling clubs but that isn't good business for Chelsea. Rudiger is a winner, well worthy of a role at a top club. I wouldn't say the same for Marina

Have you forgot to take your medication? What kind of weirdo takes criticism of Marina's business deals which were quite frankly horrible and tries to twist it into some kind of argument that people have an agenda against Women? No words. God bless your doctors. Maybe ask them to remind you of the Kounde deal that easy to complete last summer as Sevilla set the price they wanted, a deadline and Kounde wanted to come. Unfortunately Marina wanted to sell Zouma first and missed their deadline and we missed out. Madrid spending 40m on talented but unproven teenagers is nowhere near as bad as spending 58m on players that have already proven themselves not to be good enough like Pulisic had after his 4 poor seasons at Dortmund. Marina's lack of negotiating ability is reflected in the fees we've paid for incoming players and the terrible contracts we've offered over her tenure far more than it is reflected by an irrelevant award. One she only received out of sympathy and pity. As stated previously Marina is like the slow kid at the school sports day who all the other parents clap and cheer long after the others have finished the race. The other Directors probably gave it her out of sympathy given how badly they've all fleeced her for years. I get Marina is a big part of the life you've imagined but putting aside your unrequited love ignoring her gender and solely focusing on the business deals she's completed for Chelsea. Her record of failure speaks for itself unfortunately and it's a big part of why we've fallen behind City and Liverpool. Both of which would never consider hiring Marina.

What a terrible post, not really a surprise given who it comes from but just shocking on every point. Rudiger did not want 350K a week last year and would never have gotten it, he only now has high wage demands because we chose to let one of if not the best CB in the world over the last 18 months contract expire because Marina wouldn't negotiate with him. It's even worse when you realise she f**ked up the Kounde deal because she missed a simple deadline, authorised a terribly low option to buy for Tomori meaning we didn't get what we should have for him and let all 4 of our centre backs enter last season with a year left on their contracts. But hey at least she signed Sarr to a 120K a week deal so we know he's not going anywhere for a long long time The scouts didn't choose to pay 58m for a guy who wasn't good enough for Bundesliga with 1 year left on his contract. From a football perspective it's one of the worst and most insane transfer fees of all time. I genuinely thought they'd missed a decimal point and every single person on the planet thought it was a terrible fee, neutrals laughed at it. Dortmund fans laughed at it and even on this forum people thought we'd massive overpaid. As usual because Marina isn't very good at negotiating transfers. Your last paragraph doesn't deserve a response but I suspect it's projection. An Incel like yourself wouldn't praise Marina if she wasn't a woman. She's not gonna love you mate regardless of how much you gas up her terrible business deals. You wouldn't be able to afford to take her out to dinner anyway when she manages to negotiate her way into paying 5x the menu price. Thank god Roman has deep pockets.

Strange comment given thats exactly the opposite kind of work to what Marina has done. Infact she prefers to see us lose our best players on free transfers because she's too busy mooching on Romans Yacht to negotiate with them. Rudiger said himself he'd have re-signed if Marina didn't start ghosting him half say through the season for no reason And she's the type to spend 58m on a bench warmer from a weaker league and pay him 150K a week so we can't actually get rid of him. She's been embarrassingly bad at her job and is a huge part of why we've fell away from the top table since she took on her responsibilities. The only positive impact Marina has had is on the Reputation of Emenalo who looks like an absolute genius in comparison.

Let's celebrate 🍾 This is better news than any transfer incomings. No one on the planet has done more damage to this club than Marina. I was concerned Boehly didn't fire/replace her day 1 but the fact she's leaving so quickly is an enormous positive for us hopefully she's gone by the end of the month like Buck and we can actually have a decent transfer window.

It really took being linked with Sterling for you to think that? We signed an untalented Dortmund bench warmer while ignoring the 2 talented Wingers who were starting ahead of him. We signed Lukaku despite him already proving he isn't talented enough for a big club and having glaring technical flaws that he has displayed for a decade. Zappacosta, Drinkwater, Kepa, Bakayoko, Emerson. Our scouting has been awful for a long time. Kepa in particular was particularly bad because he had an 18m release clause 6 months before we bought him that no club on the planet wanted to trigger because Kepa was never an 18m goal keeper. Our scouts clearly hadn't heard of him or apparently any other goal keeper up until the day Courtois left and then it was full blown panic I'm pretty sure our scours just googled keepers with the highest release clauses and then made the assumption that must make Kepa decent and went for it. Sterling would be a scouting masterclass in comparison to most of our business over the last 5 years.

Sterling is 3 years younger than Mane and home grown but more importantly actually wants to live and play in London and for us. Mane was never an option as good a player as he may be.

Pulisic isn't particularly quick anymore. And he's never been skillful. One of the worst dribbler we've ever had imo and the worst we've ever had who people pretend is skillful. When's the last time Pulisic beat a man? Putting his head down and running 20 yards into the blind Alley the centre back is showing him into is dribbling! Pulisic is actually very consistent, he's a consistently bad player. 7 poor seasons at top European clubs in a row without scoring 10 league goals in any of them. Scoring 4 or fewer in 5 of them is very consistent. If we could send Pulisic to City to help cripple a rival it would make the Sterling deal even better.

I have no idea how anyone can look at our incredibly untalented Wingers like Pulisic and not want Sterling

He doesn't want to sign an Extension? Surely there's no way he would ever be offered an extension. A guy who hasn't had a single good season in his professional career and has had 7 bad seasons at top European clubs isn't worth the ink it would take to write a contract our for him. If we can leverage his "commercial value" to get 20m for him we'll have done well. As a footballer Pulisic has never been worth more than 5m and never will be imo. The time to sell is now. Actually it was 3 years ago but now is as good a time as any.

Made what up? Who was offering 30m for Pulisic after his 4 terrible seasons at Dortmund? Do you think Dortmund would have turned down 20m for a bench warmer with 1 year left on his contract? I think some people who hadn't watched him bought into the myth that because we paid a huge fee for him he was performing well there. But he was Awful for Dortmund beyond a bright first few games were people hyped him as a prospect then was so bad for the next few years he got benched by 2 younger more talented players and all the interest around him outside of his own country completely dried up. He was literally a 3 goal a season Winger playing for the 2nd best team in the weakest defensive league in Europe 🤣

Klopp didn't want Pulisic, No one wanted Pulisic. Even Dortmund didn't want Pulisic which is why they let him go into his last year without offering him a new deal (he didn't deserve one) and had benched him behind 2 younger more talented players that were performing at a much higher level. Liverpool enquired about signing Pulisic for 5m when he was 16/17. He actually started decently at Dortmund for a few games but then after he strung together multiple dreadful seasons and lost his place there was no interest in him from Klopp or Anyone. Until we decided to pay a huge fee for a £5m player based on his commercial value not his footballing ability. What that commercial value is I'm not sure because I don't know how much Pulisic being here impacts our financials. How a club manages to spend 58m on a bench warmer who'd proven not good enough in a weaker league with a year left on his contract I'll never know.

Of course not. None of them would have even entertained the idea of signing a guy that wasn't good enough for the Bundesliga for 30/40m But if any other club did go for Pulisic that summer they'd have got him for 15/20m. Still more than he was worth based on his poor 4 seasons at Dortmund but nothing like the insane price we bid. Seriously how do you end up paying 58m for a bench warmer who's stuck behind younger more talented players who has 1 year left on his contract? Absolute Madness. It would be like if Barca offered us 120m for CHO right now. He could still somehow turn it around but the fee would be simply absurd for what he's shown so far in his career and his position in the team. It just made no sense at the time Nunez incredibly overpriced. Tchouameni, good price for a player who may very well go on to be the best in his position in the world. Better than Rice for the same price. That said we'd have had Tchouameni for half the price if Marina and the club didn't pull a Marina last year after we had laid all the groundwork for a move.

You've misunderstood quite badly. The point is the deals did not look like good fees prior to the players signing for us. Marina didn't scout dross like Bakayoko, Pulisic, Kepa, Drinkwater, Zappacosta etc but when you look at the ridiculous fees they cost did anyone think they looked remotely good value at the time? Werner is probably the only signing we've made in the last 5 years that I felt we got a bargain price at the time it was announced. Marina constantly overpays for every player we go after then gives the players such ridiculous contracts we struggle to move them on if they do flop. How a guy not good enough to play for Dortmund who had 1 year left on his contract cost us 58m and got 150,000 a week I'll never know. Marina must be getting kick backs.

You do realise Pulisic actually plays here right? Hell Dembele already had him nailed to the bench before at Dortmund

? Strange comment. Her record in failure speaks for herself. The transfers she's failed to get over the line, the fees we've paid for the players we've signed while she was negotiating (how often do we sign a player for what looked like a good fee prior to them playing for us? The ridiculous contracts she offers players meaning we find them impossible to shift because Marina chose to pay them 100K more than they could earn anywhere else ) I genuinely don't understand how the small selection of Marina cultists can look at her record and just try to pretend she hasn't done an abysmal job. She's single handedly destroyed our defence, as Rudiger said he'd still be here by now if Marina didn't stop negotiating with him for no reason mid season.

What are you ranting on about? Marina being abysmal at negotiating has nothing to do with scouting or the targets selected.

Lukaku will top this. Wayne Bridge - Bruh really used John Terry sleeping with his ex to cry that he didn't feel comfortable playing for England anymore when he hadn't been picked in years.

And Marina has already shown she's mentally incapable of processing 2 transfers at once. Or Kounde would have been here before last season started. Alas she wanted to get an extra £12.50 from West Ham for Zouma so she missed the deadline Sevilla set.