HazardousChoice

Ironic you calling anyone an idiot given you don't understand the basic table that you shared.

That isn't what the table says. It's not pretty reading but if you could read it correctly you'd see we're not quite as toothless as Everton or Wolves either.

We've had bad luck with injuries to key players Now Finally an injury that benefits the team.

I'll give you that. Mikel would look like a creative maestro playing next to Loftus Cheek.

Can a lineup ever be called exciting if it includes Loftus Cheek?

They've all done much better, either winning trophies (Mou and Van Gaal) or multiple CL place finishes (Ole) But the point is the rot sets in quick, we've always appointed winners. With the exception of Lamps who proved his winning mentality to the club heirarchy as a player and took over in exceptional circumstances every single manager we've had has won big trophies or in Sarri's case had his teams challenging for trophies and racking up massive points tallys by consistently winning games. Potter doesn't have that experience. He comes from a background where if he managed 5 games, his teams scored 4 goals and he won 2 he's done ok and would get praise. That doesn't cut it for a club of our stature. In the same Vain of Moyes showing his defenders videos of Jagielka defending to learn from, no top club should ever care about how Jagielka defends because the clubs he played for always defended in a completely different way to how top clubs do. The challenge is completely different. He failed because he couldn't grasp the expectations of United to consistently win games every 3/4 games. Potters comments around the Arsenal game and today indicate he's not grasped the winning mentality that this club needs and demands, the mentality that Tuchel had. And he'll have to grasp it quickly because he deserves a much shorter leash than any of our previous managers. It's very hard to argue a manager needs more time than his predecessors when he comes in with the worst CV out of all of them.

The worst decision since Himler said "hey Adolf the war on the western front is going so swimmingly why don't we engage on the Eastern front as well" When you have a manager with a long record of success and players with a long record of failure who haven't shown anything to suggest they'll ever be good enough to play in the Premier league in their careers under multiple managers replacing said world class manager with a guy with absolutely no record of success or experience at the highest level doesn't quite seem the winning move the Tuchel out brigade thought it might be. Before I thought we had massive problems in the squad but a world class manager who with time would keep us consistently challenging for trophies to just looking at the club and thinking we're a midtable outfit from top to bottom.

I've resigned myself to us losing this one. They're playing really well and we look worse than ever. But what's imperative is that we don't play Pulisic. If we are to have any hope of finishing above Newcastle this season we simply have to trick them into signing him and taking away minutes from Almiron and Saint Maximin and that becomes a lot harder if they actually play against him.

People compare him to Arteta, Klopp and Guardiola when they say he needs time. But surely the most obvious comparison for Potter is David Moyes at United. A dour midtable British manager replacing a serial winner and proven Elite coach because the media and a few connections talk about him being the next big thing despite him never achieving any real success or getting near the highest level who quickly appears out of his depth and starts praising opposition teams and talking about his new club like they're a midtable side and not the elite club they've been for decades prior. Giving the wrong man too much time can be much much worse than not giving a manager enough. Ask United fans it's a long way back.

Let's break down what Ruben offers. 0 goal threat. You measure his goals in seasons per goal not goals per season. 0 creativity, statistically one of the least creative midfielders in premier league history, no one gets chances when Ruben plays. He holds the ball until the space and the chances have gone then either turns around and plays a 5 yard pass or loses the ball because he can't pass or dribble anyway. Has 8 career assists. 0 work rate, consistently the laziest player on the pitch, Paul Pogba feels embarrassed watching how slowly Ruben jogs back when the opposition break. 0 defensive awareness, he doesn't track runners, players run off him, walk past him, stand still where he should be as he ambles back slowly from his foray forward (not because he showed any real skill but because the opposition let him walk forward 30 yards knowing he'd do nothing with the ball and take 2 minutes 12 seconds to get back into position) 0 intelligence - watch him play. Have we ever controlled a game with Ruben playing? Playing Ruben in midfield is giving up the midfield battle. No real dribbling ability he's deceptive with this one, but do you ever wonder why no chances ever come from Rubens Dribbling? Ruben slowly evading a half hearted challenge from the oppositions attacking midfielder and them dropping 30 yards to lure him out of position isn't him driving the ball forward, when has Ruben ever actually created a chance with his dribbling? Compare that to the number of chances we concede because Ruben goes forward and takes 2 business days to get back when the attack breaks down. he's tall, he's from Cobham, he's good looking and we've got enough midgets in midfield people like to pretend he offers some physicality despite him losing every midfield battle due to sheer laziness but if he didn't come from our academy and instead came through at Coventry do you really think any premier league club would ever consider signing him as squad depth? His biggest achievement as a Chelsea player is almost single handedly relegating Fulham by managing 0 assists in over 2500 minutes playing behind Mitrovic and having no defensive responsibility in a 4-2-3-1. Fulham fans regard him as the worst player in their history and none of them thought he would be good enough for them in the championship. How a player can be indisputably the worst player in the league on loan at a relegated side and come back and statt games for us is symbolic of how we've declined as a club.

Imagine being upset A chelsea players scores an important goal because you don't like him. Get a grip you weirdo. Well taken Jorgi!!

He's a Cobham graduate and is on too much money for anyone to take him on loan. Or he'd have been sold to Middlesborough or Stoke years ago.

Not even top 2 Pulisic vs Southampton remains undefeated. And Ziyechs half vs....actually there's about 3 teams this could apply to.

Remember when we used to have Lampard? Ballack? Even the powerful running and fierce shots of Essien. Now we've got a midfield 3 of Ruben, Kova and Jorginho who pens aside won't come close to 10 goals/assists per season combined.

Upset to get a potential world cup missing injury during the easiest warmup of his career

He's Pogba without any of Pogba's talent or world class moments.

He's been getting a lot of praise. But when Kepa is our best player you know you're in big big trouble.

So in 225 minutes of football + Injury time against Villa in the worst form in the league, Brentford and a mid table United at home we've created a grand total of 0 clear chances and been outplayed almost every single minute with our only goals coming from individual Villa errors. Potters teams average 1 goal per game across his entire career. He's worked his magic on us quickly.

Well we took Brightons best player last season and Potter has took him off early 2 weeks in a row.

I've genuinely never seen RLC be better than a 3/10 when he plays in midfield since Sarri left. Shockingly bad player at this level.

Saw this info graphic about most popular players by U.S state apparently by shirt sales. Explains why he's still here. But begs the important question. Just who is buying the Dele Ali shirts?

You know I used to think that. Which is why I always gave Havertz the benefit of the doubt despite him looking rather poor from day 1. But honestly I just don't see the talent in him, it isn't like a Werner situation were the league doesn't suit him but he's got clear strengths or even a Ziyech situation where he has a great left football but is too weak to be able to use it in the Premier league. I don't see what Havertz is good at, I'd actually say he's adapted to the pace of the league well, he's languid at times but he's a sh*t house, he's physical enough and he puts himself about fine. It's the quality he lacks, he creates nothing even when given time and space, he can't finish his dinner when in clear space (which obviously isn't a league specific issue) and he lacks the pace and dribbling skills to actually trouble pretty much any defender. International football is of a terrible standard, he might excel for Germany, he might even excel next to 10 world class players at Bayern against Nurnburg plumbers. But I don't see him blossoming into the world class player we thought we were signing I just don't see the fundamentals in his game.

Maybe he was nowhere near the ball because he was doing something wrong? But no that wasn't me

We really should be biting their hand off at £35m. Getting even close to that fee would he an incredible achievement in todays market. Get it all signed today before Newcastle realise they've been taken over and can actually afford top quality players.

Does Pulisic even get a game for Newcastle? Saint Maximin is obviously far more talented and Almiron has been in excellent form. I'm very much looking forward to what @USATimhas to say about Eddie Howe when he benches Pulisic.