Greys33

When we won the league, he was our 6. When Leicester won the league, he was their 6. When France won the world cup, ahhh now you're getting it. He only started venturing forward under Lampard. A 6 who presses high up the pitch. But we can agree to disagree on his best position.

He is when he plays for France. Also, if you play him in a more limited DM role instead of the 8 we might save his legs some so he doesn't miss half the season.

Kante is a DM...he's The DM. Plus it's time to get younger in that area. Both Kante and Jorginho are 30 plus with one year left on their contracts. I wouldn't re-sign both and out of the two, I'd take Kante.

Havertz played quite a bit as the only number 9 as well. Whether it was because Lukaku was hurt or in the dog house and he managed 14 goals. If you don't want to play against 9 men in their own box, score. Simple concept but make the other team chase the game. Or when they lose possession counter quickly, you know the through balls that were mentioned that Lukaku does well with, so that they don't have the opportunity to set up 9 in the box. You my friend are clearly a Lukaku hater and won't see anything objectively so carry on.

For arguments sake...the not very talented guy was our top scorer and didn't play close to the most amount of minutes nor was he our assigned PK taker. He played 1000 minutes less than Mount and 500 minutes less than Havertz and still led us in scoring. I'm not even a Lukaku fan but those are the facts. Also, teams can deny us space behind because of the slow build up play that we utilize. That's a style issue not (necessarily) a player issue. I'd also argue that he makes it easier for our creative players to find space because he usually ties up both CBs. Again not a Lukaku fan but not a hater either (I hope he goes back to Inter). I would agree with all the players you listed except Ronaldo. His energy is not what it used to be.

This rumor keeps coming up...I'm assuming TT has experience with him but I've watched him play a fair amount of times and I don't rate him. Am I missing something that others might see in him?

I concur...I actually think that Lukaku would have fared much better if CHO played more and Ziyech passed more instead of always cutting in on his left foot for the shot. Players who can take people on and get quality crosses into the box. Lukaku needs crosses into the box and through balls, not intricate short passes. It also didn't help that Reece and Chilwell missed significant portions of the season. You can see the drop in our form once they were out.

Koeman hasn't been manager since October of last year so he couldn't have disciplined him recently. Second, making an all encompassing assumption about people because of their nationality....there's a word for that, stereotyping. Not a good look. Third, the video game issue was back in 2018, 4 years ago when he was 21. What 21 year old hasn't made bad decisions? Back to my previous point, why would Barcelona still try and re-sign him instead of shedding his salary, his immaturity, his lack of professionalism, his poor finishing, etc.?

LOL, we already have a Dembele post...

The lack of professionalism reared its ugly head with Dembele 5 years ago. He agitated for a transfer to Barcelona (not the first player to do that) and then his first season there were LOTS of rumors about his professionalism. But I haven't heard anything about that part of him for the past 3 years. Maybe it's still there, maybe it isn't but I'd hate to be judged forever for what I did when I was 20 years old. One other point, Barcelona is trying to shed players and salaries so that they can make signings like Lewandowski. Why would they want to keep Dembele if he had all of these issues? Why would they still try and re-sign him instead of shedding his salary, his immaturity, his lack of professionalism, his poor finishing, etc.? I tend to pay attention to actions rather than words. Just a thought...

I thought this thread was about Pogba?

Use Jorginho as a makeweight and use him towards signing De Ligt from Juve.

Interesting because Mou is the only manager who has criticized Pogba. He was popular with his teammates apparently, he was the only person that Ronaldo respected. There was an article just yesterday about how great of a teammate he is. I think he gets criticized a lot because of his ever-changing hair styles and his social media persona. It also didn't help that he was the first young player to defy Sir Alex. Solskjaer had a good relationship with Pogba. Rangnick also had a good relationship with Pogba. I guess because he's not head down, no flair, William Wallace some don't like him. He's had less off the field scandals than most players but I guess that's not enough for some as it doesn't fit their narrative.

Cost effective and English don't really go together. English players values are inflated. What you described is getting Declan Rice at a Mark Noble cost, lol.

I'd sign him and try and sell Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic and hopefully Lukaku (that clearly hasn't worked unfortunately). Getting Dembele on a free could be a great bit of business and if TT is high on him, I think we back our manager.

I'd take him and ship Jorginho out. Definitely physically better and arguably the same eye for a decisive pass. I'm tired of seeing Jorginho get tossed aside like a used condom.