Everything posted by SwedishEntity
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
A Potter admirer from Sweden. Potter is similar to Guardiola, Cruijff, Wenger, Roberto Martinez and the others I mentioned due to the style of football he wants his teams to play. I did watch Brighton under Potter. Every game. They struggled with goal scoring until Caicedo came in and change the dynamics of the team, which is when they started to score for fun. But the chances were always there, few teams created more chances, but when Neal Maupay, Aaron Connolly and Danny Welbeck (the latter is fine... when fit) lead the line up front, a team is going to struggle to convert chances into goals. When Caicedo (who is the best central midfielder in the world) came in and allowed other players to attack for fun, the lack of striker goals was no longer an issue. With the signing of Mitoma, this has improved further. Brighton doesn't play exactly the same way with RDZ as with Potter, but very similar. Brighton beat Arsenal (2-1), Tottenham (1-0), Manchester United (4-0) last season, played two draws against Chelsea and one draw against Liverpool. Twelve points against the "Big Six", which is decent. Not sure why Boehly picked Potter. Probably read a couple of headlines. Doesn't really matter. Brighton broke into the top 10 with a bottom 2 budget (only Burnley paid less wages), fifth most possession out of all teams, creating the 7th most chances while being the only Premier League team with a net transfer profit over three years. It is unprecedented for club operating on a bottom two-budget to reach 9th place in the league while playing attacking football. One thing Boehly might have looked into was not only the results and the fantastic and fluid football the team played (and still play with RDZ), but also how profitable Graham Potter has been at all his clubs. The Östersund side that reached the Europa League was built with less than £500k and made player sales profits of more than £10m. In Swansea he spent £5m on players, and the players he brought into the team (primarly from the academy) went on to make a £60m profit for the club. Naturally, any successful businessman (like Tony Bloom who poached him from Swansea) are interested in managers who develop players to the extent that they bring in 10x what was spent.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
Running around without the ball brings you the ball because you win it back when you lose it. If you don't work hard to win the ball, you won't have the ball - such is the Premier League. Top 5 Possession in 2021/22: 1. Manchester City 2. Liverpool 3. Chelsea 4. Brighton & Hove Albion 5. Arsenal One of these teams operated on the second lowest budget in the league, the others didn't. De Zerbi's Brighton and Potter's Brighton are very similar stories in terms of tactics and approach - hence the smooth transition. Short passing through pressure which creates spaces on the opposing half where the team overloads in one area or another to create chances. Manchester United a year ago had no more fun than you had this weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7m-Xi8pYIc Also I don't understand why someone would "fit Spurs" but "not Chelsea" when you have been twins for about twenty years, (mainly) employing defensive, pragmatic coaches -in a lot of cases the same ones - like Scolari, Mourinho, Conte. You're right that GP, who is known to have his clubs play brave and attacking football, doesn't fit into that. But he'd have the same problem in Spurs: incompetence in the board room, a club identity of playing powerful rather than fluid football, and a bunch of overpaid divas unwilling to put the amount of effort and work required to reach the top on a consistent basis. Largely you can divide football managers into two categories: Cruijffians and Gaalians. The former are utopians who want their teams to play sexy football. In this category you'll find Cruijff, Pep, De Zerbi, Potter, Wenger, Roberto Martinez and of course dozens and dozens of others. The latter are "win at all costs"-managers like van Gaal, Mourinho, Ferguson, Benitez, Simeone, Scolari, Zidane, Capello, Conte and, again, dozens and dozens of others. Chelsea has been a Gaalian team since the Abramovich era began, with a couple of exceptions like Sarri (mainly a Cruijffian) and Guus Hiddink (one of few successful 'hybrid' managers). These approaches doesn't generate different results really. There's advantages and disadvantages to it. The Gaalian approach requires experience, muscle and grit, and the advantage with it is that if you have experienced, good players, you can get them to play that way within months. Another advantage is that results will always be at least 'ok'. The disadvantage is that since you're relying on experienced players, it is difficult to keep the level up for years, and it can be very difficult to introduce young players into it. The Cruijffian approach requires technique, a willingness to participate in all areas of the game, a desire to learn and full respect for your teammates. The advantage is that the end result is great to watch and can last for a very long time since the players learn to play according to the system rather than the system being adapted to get the most out of what already is. The disadvantage is that it takes a lot of time to make it work and when it isn't working, it looks... really bad, like in Frank Rijkaards first Barcelona season when he was laying the foundations to the team that would eventually dominate under Pep & Enrique. Spurs have a reputation of being a Cruijffian club but they haven't been for (at least) twenty years. Chelsea wanted to be a Cruijffian club in the 90s and early 00s but has been Gaalian ever since. Todd Boehly wants - or wanted - to change it, apparently, and Graham is the right man for that. But you can't build a Cruijjfian style if you sack the manager after six months of poor results. Tony Bloom knows that, Todd Boehly doesn't. Too bad for you.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
Most of this is spot on. One thing Graham Potter must have been absolutely flabbergasted about is the physical level of the players. Brighton were always playing for 90 minutes, pressuring, running, performing right until the end. Last season his Brighton scored most goals out of anyone (IIRC; could be that Liverpool or City ended up higher) in the final ten minutes. In 18 out of the 19 last games under Potter where they had the lead, they also won. Incredibly fit. First thing he finds in Chelsea is a squad that only lasts for 50 minutes. After that, there was a shocking drop in quality. In modern football, it is very important to make players recover quicker from sprints. Some ten years ago there was a study showing the decrease in quality in the 5 minutes after a player had made a sprit, and most coaches started to work with it, making their bodies adapt to only get some 30 seconds of recovery time after a sprint. This doesn't happen over night. With some exceptions, it usually takes years for the body to fully adapt to that. Whatever Tuchel and the physio coaches did, it left the players in a shockingly poor state physically speaking. It might explain why every Tuchel gradually declines over time, which along with his impossible personality makes him very sackable regardless of initial success at his clubs. Too bad for players like James, Mount and others who can't perform for 90 minutes or during tight game schedules. In the unlikely case someone is allowed to build these players up again, it will take years, if it happens at all. Players signed and coached by Thomas Tuchel in Dortmund & PSG yet to this day struggle with the physical aspects of the game. Icardi, Leandro Paredes, Idrissa Gueye, Dembele, Schürrle, Götze, Alexander Isak... the list of players who was signed by Tuchel, worked with him a few years and then spent too much time on the sidelines or just turned to sh*t, is extensive. Its a real mess to sort out.
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Who needs to go and who needs to stay?
Sounds like a scammer to me.
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BlueCo buy Chelsea FC
Probably just waiting for James Cordens approval.
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Who needs to go and who needs to stay?
Umm... are you suggesting that the fans should make the sporting decisions of the club, more than is already the case? No. Generally the three most common ways to become a multi millionaire is: 1. being born rich 2. being a successful scammer 3. selling people sh*t they really don't need. If Todd Boehly was 20 years older, he'd sell defunct used Yugos at a vacant lot in some unheard-of American state. But he turned up just in time for the "new economy"/hedgefund era where instead you can make a ton of money selling broken fantasies and blurred visions. To believe that billionaires are competent is a politically induced hallucination, present everywhere. Poor people vote for rich people, because they've been brainf**ked into thinking rich people are smart and sensible. They're (generally) not. They just lie better than you do. Unfortunately, football is one of few areas where you can not lie your way to success.
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MOTM vs Brighton (H) (PL)
Only 53% for Kepa is an indication that 47% did not watch the game.
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Welcome home Super Frank
Finding a big-name football manager who is willing to work as a circus director might be more difficult than you think.
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BlueCo buy Chelsea FC
You had a good thing going until the winter transfer window. Yes, the results just before and after the World Cup were dire, but players like Chalobah, Gallagher, Hall (who I personally thought was absolutely brilliant) and Broja... they were groing into becoming important players. Mercenaries like Sterling and Aubameyang were on the bench. The transition into that was never going to be beautiful but it was happening. They were working like animals. Probably every kiddo in your academy thought "oh yeah, look, we have a club and a coach who will give us a pathway to play for the first team". But yeah results were poor (strangely these previous back-up players failed to become core key players within a few months) so you obviously "had" to buy a new set of players who were either going to play or the coaching team would get sacked. As a club, you've always prioritised today while having the best academy in your country. Mourinho, Ancelotti, Tuchel etc. are all managers who quite clearly prefer to use experienced players, which is obviously a quick way to get results over a couple of years but not great if you want to build a dynasty. Boehly wanted something different and brought in Potter who is known to have a very specific and time-demanding method to build physically and psychologically strong teams. I've followed his career for almost ten years and if you want results within a year, you're better off with another manager. Its all very amateurish.. and funny. There is no direction. No vision. No "long-term" project. This guy is just straight up lying to you. Look at how the other McDonalds-clubs did it: Manchester City owners knew they didn't know f**k all about football so they brought in the entire Barcelona gang (CEO, DOF and manager) while sending pay-checks from their corner in the desert. No involvement. Newcastle owners also knew they didn't have a f**king club about football and left the decisions to people who do. Sure, they pop up at St James Park once in a while, but other than that they sit in the background and let people with proven experience do the job. Boehly? All over the f**king place. In the training ground, on Twitter, in front of the cameras, in the stands. National League stuff. Boehly schizophrenic ADHD-management of your club will most likely be the source of great research in the future, as the finest example of how not to run a football club.
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BlueCo buy Chelsea FC
More Todd Boehly is exactly what your team need right now.
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Welcome home Super Frank
That is obviously one opinion you could have.
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Welcome home Super Frank
Looking at your early threads this season, everything was Tuchels fault. Later, everything was Potters fault. Now, everything is Lampards fault. Maybe at some point you'll have to start thinking about maybe the managers isn't the issue.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
You did it! Congratulations. Have a nice weekend.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
My Graham Potter forum would be better than your Frank Lampard forum...
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
Good to see another forum member who cares more about Graham Potter than Chelsea. This performance is no better than the one you lost 4-1. Brighton had 19 shots and 43% possession in that game. Chelsea had 15 shots. Today so far: Brighton with 24 shots, 62% possession, and Chelsea with 7 shots.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
Short time. Sometimes that happens. If you have a world class team like that side, it is a lot easier to win than if you don't, like Tuchel, Potter and Lampard all have experienced this season.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
The team was already flourishing. Hence Todd Boehly reading some newspaper headline and deciding to sign the manager. Chelsea will flourish if you give a manager time (years) to work with the team. Until then, you will win nothing bar the odd Carabao/FA cup.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
You're getting shat on by the team he developed.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
Tony Bloom signed Graham Potter though. Mainly due to his record when it comes to developing young players. He then gave GP good young players to develop, and time to do it, the result being a 9th place last season with the 19th highest player wages in the leagues. Doesn't take weeks or months to build a dirty good team, it takes years - something neither your fans or owner understands.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
Rob Sanchez £0 - Kepa £71m Pervis Estupinan £15m - Ben Chilwell £45m Lewis Dunk £0 - Benoit Badiashile £35m Adam Webster £20m - Wesley Fofana £75m Pascal Gross £3m - Trevor Chalobah £0m Moises Caicedo £5m - Enzo Fernandez £106m Alexis Mac Allister £7m - Denis Zakaria £3m (loan fee) Julio Enciso £10m - Conor Gallagher £0m Kaouri Mitoma £3m - Mikhail Mudryk £88m Danny Welbeck £0m - Raheem Sterling £47m Solly March £0m - Christian Pulisic £57m Total cost Brighton: £63m Total cost Chelsea: £527m
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Who needs to go and who needs to stay?
To quote a genius... what's his name again.. oh right - Graham Potter: "it is very easy to buy players, it is very difficult to sell them". What your club should do is to sign 0 players this summer and get rid of as much sh*t as possible. Will that win you the league next season? No. But it might win you three or four titles in a few years. You have the best academy in the world. Maybe the time has come to actually use it a bit. Why sign some expensive fancy flavour-of-the-month midfielder for £100m when Lewis Hall - your POTS - could be that player - for free - in two years?
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
The players don't care. In any club where the solution is always to sack managers, players learn that they don't have to take responsibility. They don't have to show leadership, they don't have to work their arses off. If they lose, and they will lose, the club will just sack the manager while the players shrug their shoulders and get away with another dozen or two poor performances. Demotivated yes. Unhappy? Carefree - no one is going to lay a hand on them. They'll continue to be sh*t and fans, media, pundits are going to want another manager while the players keep doing nothing but letting you down.
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Levi Colwill
Brilliant player but still makes a lot of mistakes. In order to become as good as he can get, he needs time to develop and I think he could get that in a club that has long term visions, like City or Liverpool. Anything less than £50m and you're robbed though.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
No matter what happens, this team will not fancy its chances against Real Madrid. After the season you've had, only lobotomy could make the players really believe in turning around a 2-0 deficit against Real Madrid.
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Chelsea v Brighton (CL) Sat 15th Apr 2023 15:00 GMT
8 games at the end of last season and 6 games this season. RDZ is also picking Caicedo so the whole "GP's team only scored because of Caicedo" and "RDZ's team only scores because of RDZ" argument is a bit flawed.