factory records 1978-1992 box set

[dkw]

i want this, i want it a lot. 4 disc box set, these are the lsitings of each disc:

1. Joy Division: Digital

2. Cabaret Voltaire: Baader Meinhof

3. A Certain Ratio: All Night Party

4. OMD: Electricity (Original version)

5. Joy Division: She's Lost Control

6. The Distractions: Time Goes By So Slow

7. Joy Division: Transmission

8. The Durutti Column: Sketch For Summer

9. Crispy Ambulance: Deaf

10. Joy Division: Love Will Tear Us Apart

11. A Certain Ratio: Shack Up

12. Section 25: Girls Don't Count

13. Crawling Chaos: Sex Machine

14. A Certain Ratio: Flight

15. The Names: Night Shift

16. New Order: Ceremony (Original version)

17. Minny Pops: Dolphin's Spurt

18. John Dowie: Its Hard To Be An Egg

19. Section 25: Dirty Disco

Disc: 2

1. New Order: Everything's Gone Green

2. Tunnel Vision: Watching The Hydroplanes

3. The Durutti Column: Messidor

4. A Certain Ratio: Knife Slits Water (LP version)

5. Royal Family and the Poor: Art on 45

6. Swamp Children: Taste What's Rhythm

7. New Order: Temptation

8. 52nd Street: Cool As Ice

9. New Order: Blue Monday

10. Cabaret Voltaire: Yashar (John Robie Remix)

11. Quando Quango: Love Tempo

12. The Wake: Talk About The Past

Disc: 3

1. New Order: Confusion

2. Marcel King: Reach For Love

3. Section 25: Looking from A Hilltop (Restructure)

4. Stockholm Monsters: All At Once

5. Life: Tell Me

6. Durutti: Column A Little Mercy (Duet)

7. James: Hymn From A Village

8. Kalima: Trickery

9. A Certain Ratio: Sounds Like Something Dirty

10. Quando Quango: Genius

11. Happy Mondays: Freaky Dancin'

12. Miaow: When It All Comes Down

13. The Railway Children: Brighter

14. Biting Tongues: Compressor

15. New Order: True Faith

16. Happy Mondays: 24 Hour Party People

Disc: 4

1. New Order: Fine Time

2. Happy Mondays: W.F.L. (Think About the Future)

3. Revenge: Seven Reasons

4. Happy Mondays: Hallelujah (Club Mix)

5. Electronic: Getting Away With It

6. Happy Mondays: Step On

7. Northside: Shall We Take A Trip

8. New Order: World In Motion

9. Happy Mondays: Kinky Afro

10. The Durutti Column: Home

11. Electronic: Get The Message (DNA remix)

12. Northside: Take 5

13. Cath Carroll: Moves Like You (Remix)

14. The Other Two: Tasty Fish (12" mix)

15. Happy Mondays: Sunshine and Love (Lionrock Remix

is this the greatest cd set ever? quite possibly.

[cassiya]

If I was buying this with as a novice this would be great box set. I bought a Factory Box Set back in 1990 called Palatine the track listings are almost identical. However it's the Factory story between 1979-1990. Saying that, I still tempted to get this box set. <_<

[Maksimov]

Has this box set been given a FAC # ?

[bjd]

Ive got Palatine, the Box Set from 1991, which is quite similar.

Lots of good stuff on there, watch out for the Stockholm Monsters. Wilsons favorite band and he thought they couldve been massive, and they couldve as well. Sadly, like many other Factory acts, the drugs did for them.

No place for mavericks such as Factory in todays downloadable rent a pop star world, they are sadly missed.

[Maksimov]

Yes, they certainly did it their way, but you can't keep a record company going with such a poor business plan. Or come to think of it, I'm not sure they had one. I mean, they release the all time best selling 12 inch single and LOSE money for every single record they sell because someone couldn't or didn't bother checking the cost of the package! They couldn't keep the train rolling and it wouldn't have been possible now. Although I think that with all digital releases, they could've cut down costs and maybe they could've kept it going for just a bit longer than they did, but not much.

Great music and a great story, though.

[bjd]

my personal favorite was the £20,000 table in Wilsons office!

You are right though they had zero business acumen - at Uni in Scumchester i used to know/casually hammered a girl who worked behind the bar at The Hacienda and she said it was an absolute joke, people nicking from tills, dealing behind the counter etc.

I guess it all adds to the mythology !

[Maksimov]

my personal favorite was the £20,000 table in Wilsons office!

You are right though they had zero business acumen - at Uni in Scumchester i used to know/casually hammered a girl who worked behind the bar at The Hacienda and she said it was an absolute joke, people nicking from tills, dealing behind the counter etc.

I guess it all adds to the mythology !

You've probably seen 24 Hour Party People, so do you know if that scene in which they close down the Hacienda and tell people to ransack the place, steal all the music equipment and computers is true or is that part of the mythology as well? I mean, "when the legend becomes a fact, print the legend", but it would be interesting to know if he really threw the money out the window. I know it probably wouldn't have been much, but surely he could've got some money by selling the equipment. So did he really give all the stuff away or is it just part of the legend?

[loz]

Not sure about that Maksimov although I suspect that is poetic license on the part of the film makers. No denying that the lack of business acumen was a disaster however Factory Records also collapsed due to the money being poured into the Hacienda whilst it continued to lose money hand over fist. It is nice to think that this was purely down to people with their hearts in the right place but without the business sense to support it however there is no getting away from the fact that its downfall was also caused by a few too many violent incidents (including shootings) and also the fact it accommodated drugs more than drink so therefore never made enough money on the bar.

Greatest CD box set ever - maybe not. A record label that had one of the greatest bands ever on it? - definitely. A record label that missed out on one of the greatest bands ever ? Without a doubt.

In terms of timing - bloody perfect.

[Maksimov]

A record label that missed out on one of the greatest bands ever ?

Imagine the fights that would(quite probably) have ensued had they put Hannett and Morrissey in the same studio to make a record... :D

[dkw]

Imagine the fights that would(quite probably) have ensued had they put Hannett and Morrissey in the same studio to make a record... :lol:

forget the fights, imagine the music they could have made.....

[loz]

forget the fights, imagine the music they could have made.....

Couldn't have been any better than it was mate.

To be honest I doubt it would have been a success - not just in term of Hannett and Morrissey not getting on but also in terms of what Hannett would have tried to do to the music that Marr produced. Also there is the little problem that fell out Factory Records just as the Smiths were forming so even if they had signed for Factory they would probably never have worked with Hannett.

[dkw]

Couldn't have been any better than it was mate.

To be honest I doubt it would have been a success - not just in term of Hannett and Morrissey not getting on but also in terms of what Hannett would have tried to do to the music that Marr produced. Also there is the little problem that fell out Factory Records just as the Smiths were forming so even if they had signed for Factory they would probably never have worked with Hannett.

you bloody spoil sport....... :lol:

[loz]

Done a bit of shopping around.

You can pre-order it from Amazon for just under £28 (free p&p)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Factory-Records-Co...1344&sr=1-1 (this is the referral link so if you use it then about 5% of it comes back to the Shed End bank account)

blahdvd.com have it for £28 (free p&p), HMV for £29 and play.com and rhino.com have it at £29.99 (also with free p&p)

Found a few other places that have it at about the same price as amazon but they have postage charges to add on.

Bloody tempting!

[dkw]

Done a bit of shopping around.

You can pre-order it from Amazon for just under £28 (free p&p)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Factory-Records-Co...1344&sr=1-1 (this is the referral link so if you use it then about 5% of it comes back to the Shed End bank account)

blahdvd.com have it for £28 (free p&p), HMV for £29 and play.com and rhino.com have it at £29.99 (also with free p&p)

Found a few other places that have it at about the same price as amazon but they have postage charges to add on.

Bloody tempting!

very tempting, thats why ive pre-ordered it with amazon. and ive been listening to joy division and stone roses all day in preperation...

[loz]

Funny you should say that - I have 'Insight' from the John Peel Joy Division sessions playing right now.

That must have been a tough song for Deborah Curtis to listen to.

[dkw]

Funny you should say that - I have 'Insight' from the John Peel Joy Division sessions playing right now.

That must have been a tough song for Deborah Curtis to listen to.

dont know the story. care to tell me?

edit: oh by the way. that link worked, cheers. and its very enjoyable.

Edited January 10, 2009 by dkw

[loz]

Not really a particular story - just the lyrics which are widely reported to be about Ian's relationship with Deborah.

Guess you dreams always end.

They don't rise up, just descend,

But I don't care anymore,

I've lost the will to want more,

I'm not afraid not at all,

I watch them all as they fall,

But I remember when we were young.

Those with habits of waste,

Their sense of style and good taste,

Of making sure you were right,

Hey don't you know you were right?

I'm not afraid anymore,

I keep my eyes on the door,

But I remember....

Tears of sadness for you,

More upheaval for you,

Reflects a moment in time,

A special moment in time,

Yeah we wasted our time,

We didn't really have time,

But we remember when we were young.

And all God's angels beware,

And all you judges beware,

Sons of chance, take good care,

For all the people not there,

I'm not afraid anymore,

I'm not afraid anymore,

I'm not afraid anymore,

Oh, I'm not afraid anymore

Deborah Curtis said that when she heard 'But I remember when we were young.' she was heart broken (or words to that effect) as they were hardly old when he wrote them.

And with the benefit of hindsight the last 4 lines become very pertinent and sad.

[dkw]

Not really a particular story - just the lyrics which are widely reported to be about Ian's relationship with Deborah.

Guess you dreams always end.

They don't rise up, just descend,

But I don't care anymore,

I've lost the will to want more,

I'm not afraid not at all,

I watch them all as they fall,

But I remember when we were young.

Those with habits of waste,

Their sense of style and good taste,

Of making sure you were right,

Hey don't you know you were right?

I'm not afraid anymore,

I keep my eyes on the door,

But I remember....

Tears of sadness for you,

More upheaval for you,

Reflects a moment in time,

A special moment in time,

Yeah we wasted our time,

We didn't really have time,

But we remember when we were young.

And all God's angels beware,

And all you judges beware,

Sons of chance, take good care,

For all the people not there,

I'm not afraid anymore,

I'm not afraid anymore,

I'm not afraid anymore,

Oh, I'm not afraid anymore

Deborah Curtis said that when she heard 'But I remember when we were young.' she was heart broken (or words to that effect) as they were hardly old when he wrote them.

And with the benefit of hindsight the last 4 lines become very pertinent and sad.

nice story, its almost shakespearean....

[loz]

'Love Will Tear Us Apart' is generally considered to be the Joy Division song that epitomises the break down between Ian and Deborah Curtis (and for many people it is the song that defines the band in the same way that 'There is a Light that Never Goes Out' defines The Smiths) however for me 'Insight' is the really difficult one to listen to when you consider the context whereas the 'definer' is probably Shadowplay.

[loz]

Now you've done it dkw - you have put me in the mood for it (ooerr missus) - just about to watch Control again

[dkw]

'Love Will Tear Us Apart' is generally considered to be the Joy Division song that epitomises the break down between Ian and Deborah Curtis (and for many people it is the song that defines the band in the same way that 'There is a Light that Never Goes Out' defines The Smiths) however for me 'Insight' is the really difficult one to listen to when you consider the context whereas the 'definer' is probably Shadowplay.

when i was getting into joy division i was told thats what love will tear us apart was about. but them lyrics seem to mean more. he really was an incredible song writer. im now listening to substance with a tear in my eye.

[loz]

he really was an incredible song writer. im now listening to substance with a tear in my eye.

He was that - personally I would rate him right up there with the very best and when you consider he wrote everything between the ages of about 21 and 23 that is quite astounding.

There are a lot of song writers who I think very highly of (the likes of Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Morrissey, Stuart Staples, Neil Young, Dylan, Roger Waters, Pete Townsend, Ray Davies, Bob Marley, Joni Mitchell, David Bowie, David Gedge etc etc etc ) but none of them are so great that I could say without a shadow of doubt they are comfortably better than Ian Curtis.

[dkw]

He was that - personally I would rate him right up there with the very best and when you consider he wrote everything between the ages of about 21 and 23 that is quite astounding.

There are a lot of song writers who I think very highly of (the likes of Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Morrissey, Stuart Staples, Neil Young, Dylan, Roger Waters, Pete Townsend, Ray Davies, Bob Marley, Joni Mitchell, David Bowie, David Gedge etc etc etc ) but none of them are so great that I could say without a shadow of doubt they are comfortably better than Ian Curtis.

he wont be recognised simply because of the genre he he wrote in. and thats a massive shame.

[loz]

I think he is probably recognised sufficiently within credible circles. Lou Reed's very best writing was not really appreciated until a long time after the Velvet Underground split up. The very fact that they still have a solid following over 20 years later despite only being a band for such a short space of time speaks volumes and, no matter how hard bjd tries to persuade me otherwise, New Order were a pub band in comparison to Joy Division.

[dkw]

I think he is probably recognised sufficiently within credible circles. Lou Reed's very best writing was not really appreciated until a long time after the Velvet Underground split up. The very fact that they still have a solid following over 20 years later despite only being a band for such a short space of time speaks volumes and, no matter how hard bjd tries to persuade me otherwise, New Order were a pub band in comparison to Joy Division.

bit harsh that. i know where your coming from but new order were a superb band too. not as good but still very, very good.