Whats happened to JT?

[aliboy66]

Ever since Capello dropped JT as England captain his form has gone he is not right and its affecting the team now.I think Angelotti has to make a decision here before it to late maybe JT needs time off or be dropped from the team? as important as JT is to the team something is not right?,maybe his days are numbered at Chelsea? or will this blow over,our manager has to step up before our season falls apart?

[Gilvorak]

Get a grip

[bjd]

Get a grip

about what ? hes right. i pretty much said the same on one of the other threads about this.

[Bridgeboy]

about what ? hes right. i pretty much said the same on one of the other threads about this.

Third that over here, he seems more concerned over his hair cut !

[Gilvorak]

Because he played well yesterday. He wasn't at fault for any of the goals or errors the other players made yesterday.

Anyone that's blaming him for the equalizer is deluded. The only people at fault for that goal were Hilario, Carvalho & Mikel.

[Bridgeboy]

Because he played well yesterday. He wasn't at fault for any of the goals or errors the other players made yesterday.

Anyone that's blaming him for the equalizer is deluded. The only people at fault for that goal were Hilario, Carvalho & Mikel.

I am sorry, JT has become very hit and miss recently, yesterday was not a performance from a captain, he did not hold the team together.

Edited February 28, 2010 by Bridgeboy

[BlueDay]

I am sorry, JT has become very hit and miss recently, yesterday was not a performance from a captain, he did not hold the team together.

In what way? What was he doing wrong?

Or are you just saying this because them idiot pundits on MOTD think so?

[Gilvorak]

I am sorry, JT has become very hit and miss recently, yesterday was not a performance from a captain, he did not hold the team together.

I'm sorry but a captain can't be held accountable for everything.

Individual mistakes cost us yesterday, I don't feel we played too badly, I'm definitely in the minority though.

[bjd]

Because he played well yesterday. He wasn't at fault for any of the goals or errors the other players made yesterday.

Anyone that's blaming him for the equalizer is deluded. The only people at fault for that goal were Hilario, Carvalho & Mikel.

Sorry mate, youre just wrong. Plain and simple.

He didnt play well at all and has been shaky for about five games now. He looks out of sorts and its affecting the team. Not just on the pitch but now its also pretty clear his off the pitch stuff is too.

[Bridgeboy]

In what way? What was he doing wrong?

Or are you just saying this because them idiot pundits on MOTD think so?

Seeing that I live in Asia that would be difficult for me to know.

I just didn't think he rallied the team.

[Bridgeboy]

I'm sorry but a captain can't be held accountable for everything.

Individual mistakes cost us yesterday, I don't feel we played too badly, I'm definitely in the minority though.

Yes individual ! because we were not playing as a team, you just said it yourself. Aside from the managers assitant it is the job of the captain to make sure you play as a unit.

[Bridgeboy]

In what way? What was he doing wrong?

Or are you just saying this because them idiot pundits on MOTD think so?

Why would you even suggest that I would let some numpty united/bin dipper ex players or whoever was on the show sway my judgement for my captain.

I have the right to compliment my captain and I have the right to critize him, never do I let either be swayed by external influences, you got that mate ?

[Spiller86]

Look there was a lot of attention on JT yesterday because of all the media bullsh*t, so everyone was looking for even the slightest error to pin it on him and say he bottled it when Bridge came back.

Let's face it, he's an absolute titan of a defender, and when you set a standard like that, then a drop in form is always going to be noticed. However as I said late last year in the 'worrying decline of Petr Cech' thread, he is still class and there isn't anybody else around i'd have over him.

He'll straighten his head out over this, you've got to remember he is dealing with what could have been the potential breakup of his marriage over the whole thing. We've just got to hope he does that before our title dreams slip away.

[Gilvorak]

Sorry mate, youre just wrong. Plain and simple.

He didnt play well at all and has been shaky for about five games now. He looks out of sorts and its affecting the team. Not just on the pitch but now its also pretty clear his off the pitch stuff is too.

What do previous matches have to do with how he played yesterday?

Out of all our defenders yesterday he was the best of the lot ffs! Can't believe our own fans are beginning to turn on JT as well.

[Bridgeboy]

What do previous matches have to do with how he played yesterday?

Out of all our defenders yesterday he was the best of the lot ffs! Can't believe our own fans are beginning to turn on JT as well.

We're not turning on JT , honestly just calm down. All we are saying is that he is very hit and miss and as a long time supporter of the bloke I think he needs to shake it off. He needs to arrange some sort of day like he did before and get the team back together away from a pitch and no where near a bloody club or any women !

Edited February 28, 2010 by Bridgeboy

[Bridgeboy]

Look there was a lot of attention on JT yesterday because of all the media bullsh*t, so everyone was looking for even the slightest error to pin it on him and say he bottled it when Bridge came back.

Let's face it, he's an absolute titan of a defender, and when you set a standard like that, then a drop in form is always going to be noticed. However as I said late last year in the 'worrying decline of Petr Cech' thread, he is still class and there isn't anybody else around i'd have over him.

He'll straighten his head out over this, you've got to remember he is dealing with what could have been the potential breakup of his marriage over the whole thing. We've just got to hope he does that before our title dreams slip away.

I do not think any of us will ever dispute his defending abilty, you are right that when you set such a high bar, when you fail to hit it you look ten times worse.

I think there is a lack of team spirit and that surely comes down to the captain.

[bjd]

What do previous matches have to do with how he played yesterday?

Out of all our defenders yesterday he was the best of the lot ffs! Can't believe our own fans are beginning to turn on JT as well.

His performance in previous matches leading up to yesterday show that there is a trend with his form and yesterday confirmed it. When was the last time JT made important errors in five games running ?

He was not our best defender yesterday - he wasnt even close. He maybe tied with RC as worst but the performances of the two full backs (both playing in a role that is not their trade) were far superior.

Good God, i am not turning on JT. Heaven forbid. I am saying that the circus that is surrounding him, and ultimately our club is starting to take its toll and something needs to be done about it before it derails our season completely.

[Bridgeboy]

Yea can a couple of you stop this, oh your being turned by the media and pundits etc etc ba bla bullsh*t, utter crap, read some of myselfs and bjd's posts from this forum and see if either of us have ever be turned as you put it. Niether of us have be turned nor are we JT haters.

Such a pathetic comment to make, I am sorry but you should not go for the easy option of calling us muppets just because you do not agree with a point.

Edited February 28, 2010 by Bridgeboy

[robx1970]

i was hoping this was going to be about his dodgy barnet. :D

[bjd]

Bridgeboy i think some people are refusing to accept crtisicm of JT, because he is JT and he has for so long been (as the banner goes) our 'captain , leader, inspiration'. Nothing wrong with that , i find it admirable, just with those who fight against anything that is anti Chelsea or against anyone who says anything bad against the club.

The thing is, it really is starting to affect the team. Just look at it yesterday, it was a car crash. We had half the country tuning in to watch the lineup , even my mum texted me 12:45. Journos were there from Heat magazine and people were there to see a handshake and not a football match.

If people cannot see that the circus is not having an affect then more fool them.

I posted this last night and i stand by every word - 'it was a circus today. We are a circus. Look at the last month. it's impossible for a club to fight on three major fronts with a continual daily sideshow. And today it caught up with us. Inevitably'

If you are going to be surrounded by a circus for an extended period of time, then eventually you are going to turn into one.

It needs to be sorted , Carlo needs to take control and i think JT needs some r'n'r.

Something needs to be done because if it isnt, our season is going up the swanny and fast.

Edited February 28, 2010 by bjd

[Bridgeboy]

Bridgeboy i think some people are refusing to accept crtisicm of JT, because he is JT and he has for so long been (as the banner goes) our 'captain , leader, inspiration'. Nothing wrong with that , i find it admirable, just with those who fight against anything that is anti Chelsea or against anyone who says anything bad against the club.

The thing is, it really is starting to affect the team. Just look at it yesterday, it was a car crash. We had half the country tuning in to watch the lineup , even my mum texted me 12:45. Journos were there from Heat magazine and people were there to see a handshake and not a football match.

If people cannot see that the circus is not having an affect then more fool them.

I posted this last night and i stand by every word - 'it was a circus today. We are a circus. Look at the last month. it's impossible for a club to fight on three major fronts with a continual daily sideshow. And today it caught up with us. Inevitably'

If you are going to be surrounded by a circus for an extended period of time, then eventually you are going to turn into one.

It needs to be sorted , Carlo needs to take control and i think JT needs some r'n'r.

Something needs to be done because if it isnt, our season is going up the swanny and fast.

I know bjd I know, I want all this crap to be over and done with because it is obviously affecting our team moral and that moral is usually made from the captain...JT.

[Spiller86]

Bridgeboy i think some people are refusing to accept crtisicm of JT, because he is JT and he has for so long been (as the banner goes) our 'captain , leader, inspiration'. Nothing wrong with that , i find it admirable, just with those who fight against anything that is anti Chelsea or against anyone who says anything bad against the club.

The thing is, it really is starting to affect the team. Just look at it yesterday, it was a car crash. We had half the country tuning in to watch the lineup , even my mum texted me 12:45. Journos were there from Heat magazine and people were there to see a handshake and not a football match.

If people cannot see that the circus is not having an affect then more fool them.

I posted this last night and i stand by every word - 'it was a circus today. We are a circus. Look at the last month. it's impossible for a club to fight on three major fronts with a continual daily sideshow. And today it caught up with us. Inevitably'

If you are going to be surrounded by a circus for an extended period of time, then eventually you are going to turn into one.

It needs to be sorted , Carlo needs to take control and i think JT needs some r'n'r.

Something needs to be done because if it isnt, our season is going up the swanny and fast.

I certainly do take the point that yourself and Bridgeboy are trying to make and say that he is affecting the team via the circus, and I also take the point that the problem is entirely of his own making. And if your coming from the captain perspective that's fine, as a defender I still think he is one of the best going round and that this is a problem between the ears that will only be sorted in time.

I'm just not sure that dropping him isn't gonna make the whole issue worse. After yesterday, the whole circus might die off a bit I'd imagine and giving him a 'rest' to sort himself out only makes the story keep going as they've got something new in the downfall of JT to write about. Furthermore resting him might also shoot his confidence fullstop.

I would prefer to see a bit of leadership come from a couple of other sources around the team to keep us focused, I mean we have this supposedly old and experienced squad, how someone else can't pop up to keep the team's eye on the ball I don't know. Overall I think it's a cultural problem, one that could stem from us not having had a long term manager to stamp on this kind of stuff and keep the team focused. It's one that I certainly think needs to be addressed with some summer cleaning at the end of the year, with a few new faces to change the culture up a bit.

Either way we can all agree it's a mess and one that needs to be sorted before the weekend or we'll all have to face the indignity of losing to the West Ham, which is just unbearable

Edited February 28, 2010 by Spiller86

[loz]

Personally I don't care about the circus of the media. A decision to drop him (or not) should be entirely about his performances on the park. If dropping him gives the media more to write about then so be it. I don't want team selections influenced by the rags.

[bjd]

Personally I don't care about the circus of the media. A decision to drop him (or not) should be entirely about his performances on the park. If dropping him gives the media more to write about then so be it. I don't want team selections influenced by the rags.

Absolutely. A player should be picked or dropped on his form and performances.

The thing is Loz, i think its the circus that is starting to affect his performance. If it wasn't then fine - i wouldn't give a toss about any of it, which is what ive said from the start.

Now that we have evidence that things are taking its toll on the player and the team, and maybe the club as a whole then we need to act, before its too late. I can see Carlton Cole and Ricardo Fuller taking JT to the cleaners these next few weeks if things continue in this manner.

The thought of saying that not so long ago would've be unimaginable.

Edited February 28, 2010 by bjd

[MKBlue]

Something is definitely affecting Terry's game at the moment, and if that's the case then it's to be hoped that the manager will give him a rest and tell him to get himself sorted out before it costs us everything this season. On the captaincy, I've only seen one captain's performance from a Chelsea player recently and that was from Didi against Cardiff.