loz Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 When the loan system was brought in the general idea was that it would facilitate the development of young players with potential by sending them out on loan to lower league clubs to provide them with first team experience. Whilst that still happens there is also a different perspective which has reared its head in recent years where the loan system has been used to rid clubs of players who the loaning out club has no real desire to ever welcome back (for different reasons). We did it with Crespo and Veron, West Ham did it with Tevez and Man City have just done it with Bellamy (and there are other examples as well). As it is the most current situation let us consider the Bellamy situation. Loaned to a Championship club who can't afford his wages but who will now benefit massively because they have a Premiership standard player who is a very experienced international without having to pay his £90k a week wages. Meanwhile all other clubs in the Championship need to watch their budgets and couldn't dream of having a £90k a week player on their books. So is this relatively recent development creating an imbalance? Should there be more stringent rules about loan deals with strict regulation over who pays the wages? Equally does the new 25 squad rule bring about a need to reconsider transfer windows and the extent to which clubs can place restrictions on who they will sell players to?
Sheva Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 What is also a bit strange is that Cardiff only just survived a winding up order. The amount Cardiff are paying a week for Bellamy has to be minimal at best.
dkw Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 The worst thing about the loan system for me is the semi doping by the bigger clubs. Basically Utd, us Arsenal etc send a very good player to a lower club on loan, he will be one of their better players. They use him all season and he becomes very important to the way they play, but as soon as they play the parent club he cant play and the instantly lose one of their best players for their hardest game. Now multiply that across many clubs and in some cases 2 or 3 players a club and the parent club is can basically weaken opposition teams by loaning them players.
Hutch Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 i made a similar point in the Craig Bellamy thread. which is that he's far too good for the Championship, and could very well be the major force in getting Cardiff City promoted. in which case next season Cardiff could conceivably considered by Man City as their rivals, which will be reason enough for them to refuse to extend Bellamy's loan period, and assuming he's still out of favour but not for sale (or unsellable due to wage levels etc), as is currently the case, he could be farmed out to another Championship club just to get him out of the way while his contract winds down.
BLUENUT Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 The worst thing about the loan system for me is the semi doping by the bigger clubs. Basically Utd, us Arsenal etc send a very good player to a lower club on loan, he will be one of their better players. They use him all season and he becomes very important to the way they play, but as soon as they play the parent club he cant play and the instantly lose one of their best players for their hardest game. Now multiply that across many clubs and in some cases 2 or 3 players a club and the parent club is can basically weaken opposition teams by loaning them players. Fergie did this exact thing last season (or the season before, I think with Northampton), loaning player's to his son, who won promotion. It's just even more of a risk for teams in the same league, not letting players play against you, and Tim Howard, the Manu goalkeeper, playing against Manu for Everton, how did they get away with that one?
loz Posted August 18, 2010 Author Posted August 18, 2010 Fergie did this exact thing last season (or the season before, I think with Northampton), loaning player's to his son, who won promotion. It's just even more of a risk for teams in the same league, not letting players play against you, and Tim Howard, the Manu goalkeeper, playing against Manu for Everton, how did they get away with that one? It is only in the last couple of years that it has been a rule that you can't play against your parent club. Before that it depended on the terms of the loan.
Andreas Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 Have to say it's a good rule that if you loan someone out that they can't play against his parent club. How would it feel if we put let's say Kakuta out on loan to Sunderland etc and when we played them he scored against us, a bit awkward right? :P
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