Does it matter who's next?

[c3blu]

Its starting to sink in a bit now that Jose has gone, and the more it does the angrier I'm getting. Which is why i find myself asking the question does it really matter who our next manager is?

I've been putting on a brave face to opposition fans that if anything its bad news for the rest of the league because when RA gets in his replacement he will surely open up the cheque book again and buy the new manager the players he wants/needs, but will he?

We had the best young manager in world football who was passionate about our club and very successful yet the board would'nt let him do his job without interference. They told him where our pre season had to be played. What he should and should'nt say in interviews. Tried to alter his coaching staff, appointed Arnesen and Grant who he did'nt want, and in the end they started buying and selling players for him. So if the best young manager in world football is'nt going to be left to his own devices then who is?

We may as well have a puppet like Grant at the helm so Roman can pick the team he wants from afar.

If it was simply a case of 'time for a change' it would be easier to digest but i fear this will continue to happen to the next man, and the next, and the next.

It has cost us ?25m to get rid of the best manager we have ever had and we have alienated our players in the process. It looks like a win,win situation to me

Ranieri was a nice man, we played some good football under him and he bought some excellent players, yet he was ruthlessly shown the door because it was believed he would always be a nearly man.

In comes JM, a scowling cocky man, unlike the jolly Ranieri. Sombody who above all else was a winner, who would sacrifice flair for end product and results. 5 trophies in 3yrs and he is again ruthlessly shown the door.

The only people i can see who would even want the job now would be managers who could'nt care less what happens once they have signed their contract because come hell or high water they are getting paid very very well so who cares.

And anyway,If were not going to allow the manager to manage the team how he wants then whats the point?

[BLUENUT]

Just posted this on another thread:

Ranieri had players forced on him, or bought without asking for them - Veron anyone!! It's been admitted that Claudio didn't want or sign this player. He was unveiled the same day as Joe Cole FFS! I think in 'that' Monaco game it was Claudio's way of sticking 2 finger up at whoever bought him by bringing him on at HT!

He also had nothing to do with Cech or Robben, as they knew he would not be manager when they arrived!!!!!

We've just lost 1 manager who wasn't happy being handed players, who'd want this job now apart from a mercenary who wants to take Roman to the cleaners?

I buy the player's, you find a formation that entertains me!?!?!?!?!

That's just not how it works!!

The club is a circus!

Who would want to take the job?

Oh YES, YES, YES, YES...........OH YES, YES, YES, YES..Roman, Yes Peter, Yes Avram

[Pauly]

wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/footbal ... 354288.stm

wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/footbal ... 132725.stm

wrong wrong wrong! again! post it a third time you will still be wrong!

[BLUENUT]

Robben was on Dutch Radio before he joined Chelsea saying that Claudio was a nice man, but is a shame he won't be there when I join. (Hence the 'dead man walking nick-name) Claudio met him, YES for Robben to have an opinion of the fella, but I'm still not having it that he was Claudio's player.

We scuppered a deal that took Robben to Manu, he'd already had a tour of their ground before joining Chelsea. Now who do we think could have had a hand in this?

Pauly, you think that Jose deserved the push because you didn't think our football was entertaining enough for you, thats your opinion. You STILL want to think he signed Shevcheko, you even want to believe that Shevchenko can still run but I'm afraid your the one who's wrong. You couldn't wait to change your avtar to someone who was responsible for Jose's sacking, albeit our new puppet.

You did this the other day, quoting Jose on how delighted he was at signing Shevchenko, but their relationship untimately cost our manager his job.

There is someone else pulling the strings behind the scenes at Chelsea and if you can't see it then, well, we'll just have to disagree. I'm not the only person who thinks this I might add!

We've just lost a manager who didn't like having players imposed on him. This is something else the next manager will have to put up with, however, for this reason, that next manager will be more mercencary than winner in my opinion.

And if 6 trophies in 3 years is not good enough or entertaining enough then we're up sh*t sh*t creek without a paddle.

[Pauly]

Pauly, you think that Jose deserved the push because you didn't think our football was entertaining enough for you, thats your opinion. You STILL want to think he signed Shevcheko, you even want to believe that Shevchenko can still run but I'm afraid your the one who's wrong. You couldn't wait to change your avtar to someone who was responsible for Jose's sacking, albeit our new puppet.

aaaaahahahaaha.. hysterically wrong again! you're not even sure what you'rr arguing against!!??

[BLUENUT]

Shevchenko can run then? You don't get to the bridge do you

[Pauly]

No but If i wear my spectacles just right I believe it negates the boost in value you inevitably get from having "been going to stamford bridge for 16 years and therefore my opinions are significantly stronger, in fact, i might just introduce every stupid inference i make with that fact!"

I was referring to you thinking I like Grant or have ever advocated entertaining football as the reason for JM left.

[Guest]

Robben was on Dutch Radio before he joined Chelsea saying that Claudio was a nice man, but is a shame he won't be there when I join. (Hence the 'dead man walking nick-name) Claudio met him, YES for Robben to have an opinion of the fella, but I'm still not having it that he was Claudio's player.

What more evidence do you want?. Ranieri said it from his own mouth. Part of me wonders if we should have ever sacked Ranieri, he didn't do enough from to warrant it and he really did love Chelsea FC.

[BLUENUT]

No but If i wear my spectacles just right I believe it negates the boost in value you inevitably get from having "been going to stamford bridge for 16 years and therefore my opinions are significantly stronger, in fact, i might just introduce every stupid inference i make with that fact!"

I was referring to you thinking I like Grant or have ever advocated entertaining football as the reason for JM left.

It's not about who's been supporting them longer, who wears glasses or cheap insults. I don't necessarily think the past 2 Chelsea managers have signed all the players thay have managed. You think they have. One of us is right one of us isn't.

[BLUENUT]

Robben was on Dutch Radio before he joined Chelsea saying that Claudio was a nice man, but is a shame he won't be there when I join. (Hence the 'dead man walking nick-name) Claudio met him, YES for Robben to have an opinion of the fella, but I'm still not having it that he was Claudio's player.

What more evidence do you want?. Ranieri said it from his own mouth. Part of me wonders if we should have ever sacked Ranieri, he didn't do enough from to warrant it and he really did love Chelsea FC.

Who signs for a manager they know won't manage them? No-one!!! It's impossible, you sign for the club, he was a club buy, and seeing we pinched him from under the nose of Utd leads me to believe Kenyou was involved!

[Guest]

Who signs for a manager they know won't manage them? No-one!!! It's impossible, you sign for the club, he was a club buy, and seeing we pinched him from under the nose of Utd leads me to believe Kenyou was involved!

1) These signings were made well before Ranieri's future was clear

2) It's quite likely that one of Ranieri's duties as manager was to set the squad up for the new manager should he not continue on into the next season

[BLUENUT]

1) These signings were made well before Ranieri's future was clear

How did Robben know about it then?

[Guest]

Can you point me out to where he says that please? I can't find it

[BLUENUT]

As posted previously it was said in an interview on Dutch radio just after it was announced he was joining Chelsea.

Found this though in the Standard:

COPYRIGHT 2004 Financial Times Ltd.

(From Agence France Presse)

Chelsea manager Claudio Ranieri received backing to stay at Stamford Bridge from Arjen Robben, the man who could turn out to be his last signing for the high-flying Londoners.

"I hope Ranieri stays," said Dutch striker Robben, 20, who is due to join Chelsea from PSV Eindhoven in a 12-million-pound (22-million-dollar) move at the end of this season.

Although Chelsea are into the semi-finals of the Champions League after their 2-1 midweek win over Arsenal and are just four points behind their London rivals in the race for the Premier League title, Robben knows Ranieri could still be axed.

"It's a bit strange signing for a club where you don't know who the manager will be but in football you're never sure about anything. In a few weeks Ranieri could be fired - but nothing is certain," Robben told Thursday's edition of the London Evening Standard.

"I hope Ranieri stays because we had a meeting and he came across as a man who can work with young players. That's very important.

"Ranieri is a very good trainer who wants to make his players better. He likes young players and has improved youngsters in the past, which is vital to me," Robben added.

Last month England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson signed a contract that kept him with the national side until 2008 following repeated stories in the British press that he was to succeed Ranieri at Chelsea after the Euro 2004 championships in Portugal in June.

However, winning the Champions League might be enough to save Ranieri from being sacked by Chelsea's Russian billionaire owner Roman Abramovich.

And the Italian's survival prospects were boosted by Chelsea's semi-final opponents Monaco knocking out favourites Real Madrid.

Now there are even reports that Real want Ranieri to replaces Carlos Queiroz, formerly assistant to Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.

On Thursday, the Football Association denied reports that Eriksson had a get-out clause in his deal allowing him to quit England after Euro 2004.

COPYRIGHT 2004 Financial Times Ltd.

Oh and try finding a report on his transfer that doesn't mention Peter Kenyon, who was apparently on gardening leave from Manu at the time. He was part of the representatives who met PSV but apparently didn't talk to anyone out there

[Jimboola69]

Shevchenko can run then? You don't get to the bridge do you

Can JT run?

He gets the same 'line' from pundits and fans that accept such things as gospel.

I see him running around (Matthew Harding ticket Holder just for the record, been a regular at the Bridge since the early 70's ) and I see no probs with his pace. What he does struggle with is doing physical challenges. Just as Crespo did. Not every striker is Drogba...Jose liked a Drogba, not a Eidur, Crespo or Sheva.

[Pauly]

bluenut,

i have absolutely no idea how CR not being there for the season after has anything to do with him flying to eindhoven, months earlier, and signing the player?

[just]

Ranieri had players forced on him, or bought without asking for them - Veron anyone!! It's been admitted that Claudio didn't want or sign this player. He was unveiled the same day as Joe Cole FFS! I think in 'that' Monaco game it was Claudio's way of sticking 2 finger up at whoever bought him by bringing him on at HT!

I think you're off base on that one Bluenut. I'm 100% certain Ranners wanted Veronimo.

Despite his drastic failure at the Theatre of Muppets. Claudio thought Veron could reproduce what he had in Serie A, when he looked the donkey's doo dahs in practically every game. Unfortunately, Ranners hadn't taken into account the huge differences between the two footballing cultures. Most notably the frenetic pace and lack of space associated with an EPL midfield. Hence, (as many people predicted), the Baldy One was again a fish out of water. And an expensive, dismal, laughable misfit once more.

[c3blu]

Pauly i think you are talking sh*t mate,Ranieri may well have met with Robben, and was manager at the time so he will go down as being signed 'under' CR but the fact of the matter is Robben was told (probably by Kenyon, the man who did the deal) that CR was'nt going to be there next season. Which is why people were'nt sure whether JM or CR signed him.

Considering the fact that JM was in the process of winning the CL for Porto and his future had'nt been decided i think its fair to say that Kenyon Signed him for 'the club' no matter who was in charge the following season. He signed for Chelsea and Kenyon(and of course considerably more money than UTD had offered) not CR.

I have absolutley no doubt players have been brought to the club under orders/instruction of people other than the manager in charge at the time(which is not how to run a football club). Kenyon,Abramovich,Arnesen even Pini bloody Zahivi or whatever his name is.

JM wanted to sign Micah Richards before under instruction from Arnesen the 'club' went for Boularouz(quality).

JM said he did'nt want to go down the Real Madrid galctico route,prefering younger/hungrier players. He wins us back to back titles and then decides to sign 2 almost 30 yr old 'galactico's'. Who funnily enough just happen to be 2 of the biggest stars contracted to our new sponsor Adidas, i cant see it myself.

I do agree that we may not play to Sheva's strength's, but you can change manager as often as you like and it wont bring back his pace.

If CR was 'a dead man walking' then Sheva is a 'lead man running'.

[g3.7]

mourinho signed boulah, until he turned out a bad buy, at which point he becane an arnesen buy.

now in some of these stupid articles that have come out, people who like to think they understand how the media work have attacked our own captain amongst other things.

another think I particularly liked is that now it appears that people have decided ben haim was also not a mourinho player, despite all EVIDENCE to the contrary.

I love jose and what he's done for the club, but he's really played the media very nicely- from what he's said, and what he has chosen not to say.

-the start and decreasing peformances/form under him have been forgotten (now our worst start in 7 years)

-all his bad signings have become arnesen/grant/roman/kenyon/uefa signings

-he's walked away absolved of anything he ever did wrong, and in turn roman, the man who brought him here and wiped our debts is satan reincarnate

-the most incredible thing is that his management has been re-written- without him we will struggle to finish in the top 5 or 6!

-all the professional players will kill themselves because they've never dealt with a manager they've liked leaving before in their careers. contracts don't matter, they'll walk out of the club in january, leaving us with ben haim, sheva, ballack and some youth players.

[BLUENUT]

Anyway, back to the topic.

Does it matter who the next manager is when it's reported Roman has been in the dressing room telling players like Essien where to pass it. What sort manager would put up with that apart from Grunt?

[Lofty]

Anyway, back to the topic.

Does it matter who the next manager is when it's reported Roman has been in the dressing room telling players like Essien where to pass it. What sort manager would put up with that apart from Grunt?

All the talk of Chelsea becoming another Hearts frightens the life out of me, not to mention pisses me off something chronic. Even with all the crap, all the bullsh*t, all the smarm oozed by Kenyon and Buck's financial waffle, that farce of a Press Conference, unrest on and off the pitch ... I still don't want to believe it.

[Guest]

mourinho signed boulah, until he turned out a bad buy, at which point he becane an arnesen buy.

now in some of these stupid articles that have come out, people who like to think they understand how the media work have attacked our own captain amongst other things.

another think I particularly liked is that now it appears that people have decided ben haim was also not a mourinho player, despite all EVIDENCE to the contrary.

I love jose and what he's done for the club, but he's really played the media very nicely- from what he's said, and what he has chosen not to say.

-the start and decreasing peformances/form under him have been forgotten (now our worst start in 7 years)

-all his bad signings have become arnesen/grant/roman/kenyon/uefa signings

-he's walked away absolved of anything he ever did wrong, and in turn roman, the man who brought him here and wiped our debts is satan reincarnate

-the most incredible thing is that his management has been re-written- without him we will struggle to finish in the top 5 or 6!

-all the professional players will kill themselves because they've never dealt with a manager they've liked leaving before in their careers. contracts don't matter, they'll walk out of the club in january, leaving us with ben haim, sheva, ballack and some youth players.

You can't argue sense with these people G4. They have made up their minds and are now just looking for evidence to back up their own opinions. I mean why look at things with balance (Mourinho did some good things and some bad things, ditto Abramovich) when you can take an extremist view and paint one a demi-god and the other satan

[BLUENUT]

The only evidence I need for Roman to stay in the boardroom is in 120 PL games Jose averaged 2.33 points per game!

[c3blu]

Who are 'THESE PEOPLE'. If your talking about this life long Chelsea fan expressing his concern about boardroom interference in footballing matters(hardly an extremist view by the way) then yes i have my concerns, because as i said before that is no way to run a football club.

Everyweek i contributed to the 'save the bridge fund'(did you?,or betterstill do you even know what i'm talking about?) and never saw that red thermometre type thing behind the goal at the old shed move, so i can see the bigger picture and i know exactly what Roman has done for our club. I have never demonised him once.

All i have said,and will continue to say is the running of the football team is the responsibillity of the manager and HIS staff. And that involves everything from transfer's both in and out,formation,tactics training methods the lot. That way the manager can take responsibility for poor performances or results without being able to deflect any criticism anywhere.

That's exactly why he has escaped criticism, because that has'nt been allowed to happen. Not 100% anyway.

And the reason i started this thread is because like others i fear this may continue.

[mez]

Agree 100% with c3blu.

Yesterday's Mail summed it up for me.

"When a legendary wizard of the cloth cap era wrote his autobiography, a chapter entitled

The Average Director's Knowledge of Football consisted of one blank page.

.... Roman Abramovich ... is just one of Shackleton's average directors."

The question I'm asking myself about Roman is this, he seems to like to meddle and is not particularly good at at (not as good as his managers anyway) so what happens when he wakes up and smells the coffee and realises he really isn't quite as clever as he thinks he is. Does he stop meddling and sit back and enjoy the football, or will he leave because he can't twiddle?

Mez