Burnley

[geezer]

If QPR had put in half as much effort against us as Burnley have done against the gooners we could have been in deep do-do. Probably the difference of a lower league club having a British manager as opposed to a foreign one like at QPR, the effort is far more likely to be passionate.

[glory55]

Qpr were f**king useless yesterday and their support was bad too!

[Dubai_blue]

ummm.... please explain to me how having a foreign manager makes the team in the lower divisions play with less passion? Are you reffering to the fact that the British Managers would know more about the passion that goes with the FA cup in particular? I'm sure whatever country the manager is from, they still have the equivalant of the FA cup...

Absolutely ridiculous comment to make.

The reason Burnley played better than QPR, with more passion, is because (drum roll please):- Burnley is a better side than QPR!

[geezer]

Absolutely what I'm saying Dubai_blue. Jose himself was surprised by the passion of the FA cup when he first came, Wenger took a while to get used to it, Benitez totally underestimated it in his first year, got knocked out and was shell-shocked by the reaction of the fans so I stand by what I say. Di Canio is likely to have a very different approach to the competition next year now he's had a taste. The ridiculous comment to make if you must go down that route is to claim every one else has the equivalent of the FA cup. Where else in the world do the big clubs care ab out winning their national knock out cup? WHere else in the world has their knock out cup final televised and watched by billions of people? Nowhere, that's where.

[g3.7]

the fa cup has far more prestige than any other domestic cup I know of- it's definitely a big, big deal.

I would compare most domestic cups to the carling cup.

[Dubai_blue]

I see your point guys, i really do, however, I think its really easy to blame a coach nowadays because "he is foreign", I dont think that is a good enough reason, and actually Im finding it quite annoying now!

Every time without exception that a club (or country) has gone through a rough time or have underacheived under a foreign coach, his "passion" is brought into question, regardless of whether it is the FA cup, the league or any other competetion!

All Im saying is, just because the coach hasnt been brought up in the country, does not mean they dont fully understand the passion that goes with football here...

AND, I AM IN NO WAY DEFENDING DE CANIO! as, i think, he is a tosser for managing a club that I despise soo much!

Sorry if i offended you in any way geezer, that wasn't my intention of the post, just wanted to present my opinion...

[Enrico]

Di Canio is likely to have a very different approach to the competition next year now he's had a taste.

Not a valid argument in his case surely as Di Canio's played in England for several years before. He should already have a good idea of 'the passion'.

[Valerie]

Di Canio is likely to have a very different approach to the competition next year now he's had a taste.

Not a valid argument in his case surely as Di Canio's played in England for several years before. He should already have a good idea of 'the passion'.

I think you've got your Canio's mixed up. The one who has played in England for years is Paolo di Canio, QPR's manager is Luigi de Canio. As far as I know, he's never played in England.

[Enrico]

It's geezer's fault for spelling it 'Di'.

[Valerie]

Oh good, a scapegoat!

Still, I'm regularly humming "F*ck off, Di Canio" for old times' sake.

[geezer]

I see your point guys, i really do, however, I think its really easy to blame a coach nowadays because "he is foreign", I dont think that is a good enough reason, and actually Im finding it quite annoying now!

Every time without exception that a club (or country) has gone through a rough time or have underacheived under a foreign coach, his "passion" is brought into question, regardless of whether it is the FA cup, the league or any other competetion!

All Im saying is, just because the coach hasnt been brought up in the country, does not mean they dont fully understand the passion that goes with football here...

AND, I AM IN NO WAY DEFENDING DE CANIO! as, i think, he is a tosser for managing a club that I despise soo much!

Sorry if i offended you in any way geezer, that wasn't my intention of the post, just wanted to present my opinion...

Absolutely no offence taken and I fully respect your opinion. I have no doubt that foreign coaches (and players) do have and display the passion you refer to, after all Jose was a passionate about the game as they come however I think it's fair to say that all of them, without exception have been surprised by what exactly the FA cup means to English fans. This is amplified even further in the lower divisions as every game in the FA cup is effectively a final for them and for many of the players it's a chance to live the dream of playing at some major stadia. Had QPR been managed by an English coach on Saturday then I have no doubt we would have seen more of an 'up and at them' attitude. If DE (okay Val & Enrico?) Canio is still withn them at this time next year then it is likely we will see a different approach. Hope that explains my point more and please keep giving your own opinion after all that's what these forums are for.

[geezer]

Oh good, a scapegoat!

Still, I'm regularly humming "F*ck off, Di Canio" for old times' sake.

I'll gladly be your scapegoat Val. What's my punishment?

[glory55]

Are you reffering to the fact that the British Managers would know more about the passion that goes with the FA cup in particular? I'm sure whatever country the manager is from, they still have the equivalant of the FA cup...

Absolutely ridiculous comment to make.

The reason Burnley played better than QPR, with more passion, is because (drum roll please):- Burnley is a better side than QPR!

I dont think geezer's comment were ridiculous.

There is NO doubt that the FA cup means more to British players/British people,its a traditional English competition!

Its the oldest club competition in the world and we are very proud of that fact.

There is no equivalent to the FA cup ANYWHERE.

In Spain,France,Isreal,Holland,Italy their domestic cup competitions are seen as hinderance....NOT IN ENGLAND!!

And Im not sure how much you know about the first division...

....but QPR have been outstanding in their last few results......

Beating Burnley away,drawing with Wolves,beating Colchester,beating (THE THEN TOP) Watford,beating Leicester City ....etc

I expected more from QPR.....

....I expected a cup final performance,but they didn't look bothered!

[Alan]

Are you reffering to the fact that the British Managers would know more about the passion that goes with the FA cup in particular? I'm sure whatever country the manager is from, they still have the equivalant of the FA cup...

Absolutely ridiculous comment to make.

The reason Burnley played better than QPR, with more passion, is because (drum roll please):- Burnley is a better side than QPR!

I dont think geezer's comment were ridiculous.

There is NO doubt that the FA cup means more to British players/British people,its a traditional English competition!

Try telling that to Dave Kitson

[BLUENUT]

There is something 'magic' about the FA cup, you don't know what it is until you've experienced it.

Rivalries are rekindled or put to bed, fingernails can get chewed to the bone, jubilation, dispear, it reduces grown men to tears or back to the child they once were, always dreaming of that walk up Wembley way.

The 17 May 1997 will live with me forever. Especially around 15:00.42

[g3.7]

There is something 'magic' about the FA cup, you don't know what it is until you've experienced it.

that's essentially the whole thing. spot on- it's not about being british or foreign - however, if you are british then you will probably have grown up with it.