Mourinho vs Ranieri revisited

[Guest]

Hey everyone,

I read an interesting opinion piece from (of all people) an Arsenal fan. His obviously neglecting to mention certain aruguments against his theory for the sake of making his point. But I do think he has a point.

I'm sure I've probably said this on here before somewhere but I think Mourinho got far too much credit at Chelsea, for basically inheriting a Premiership winning team anyway. Plus despite the money he spent, most of his signings were rubbish too and have since been and gone even before him.

Don't forget Ranieri put together most of that team and only really had one season with the Abramovich money and some of his best signings never even got to play for him, like Cech and Robben. In his 4 seasons there he got rid of the old guard like de Goey, Desailly and Wise, made Terry captain and bought Lampard, Gallas, Hasselbaink, Duff, Makelele, J Cole and Crespo, as well as Cech and Robben mentioned above.

In those 4 seasons under him they finished 6th, 6th, 4th and 2nd in the league, improving their points total each time and when 2nd they finished ahead of United, which most of their fans would have settled for at the start of the season as normally that would have made them champions and they would have been that season too, apart from it our unbeaten title winning season.

Now compare Ranieri's signings to some of Mourinho's, Ferreira (flop), Kezman (gone), Boulahrouz (gone), Tiago (gone), Jarosik (gone), Del Horno (gone), Ben Haim (flop) and he even happily accepted Ballack and Shevchenko (as anyone would) but then later tried claiming they weren't really his signings when they flopped. Well if the so called Special One can't make his own transfer choices then what chance have the rest got? If he felt so strongly about it then he should have resigned but it's funny how Ballack has improved since Mourinho left.

There are other signings he made that haven't exactly set the Premiership alight like Malouda, Pizarro, Mikel Obi, Kalou, and Wright-Phillips, plus he also took Maniche on loan and that was a disaster, he allowed one of their few flair players in Robben to leave, signed someone called Diarra too apparently and even succeeded in turning Ca$hley into an average player now.

He also only got who is considered one of his best signings in Essien by default, after Gerrard decided to stay at Liverpool and the world and his auntie knows that Gerrard and Lampard don't play well together and it's the same with Ballack and Lampard, as they are all too similar in being attacking, goalscoring midfielders.

Chelsea were on the slide anyway before Mourinho left as was proven by them not retaining the Premiership and part of that would have been due to Terry and Carvalho missing games through injury, but Mourinho let Gallas and Huth go and considered Boulahrouz a better replacement but allowed Alex to stay on loan at PSV as he didn't rate him good enough and initially couldn't even get the £3 million from Abramovich to sign Ben Haim! They also had poor early results under him this season, which has had them playing catch up all season and the 0-0 home draw against Rosenborg in the CL was probably the last straw for Abromovich, considering after spending the best part of £200 million, Mourinho didn't take Chelsea any further in the CL than Ranieri did.

[mudasar]

jose did sign carvallho and drogba

robben and gallas leaving were not his fault.

[Dorset]

Yeh, Qaz, that Mourinho guy was rubbish.

[BLUENUT]

Bradymagic

I could pick hole's in that all day long.......obviously has no knowledge of whats going on at the club.

Stick to wondering why Arsenal haven't won anything for 3 years and managed to go from 5 points ahead to 5 points behind in 5 games.

[MURDOCH_(8)]

Bradymagic

I could pick hole's in that all day long.......obviously has no knowledge of whats going on at the club.

Stick to wondering why Arsenal haven't won anything for 3 years and managed to go from 5 points ahead to 5 points behind in 5 games.

What a load of utter sh*te I agree totally with bluenut, I'm not even going to waste my time disecting that whole comment and prove why nearly every point in there is wrong and clearly bias as the guy obviously doesn't like Mourinho. What an idiot

[bjd]

there are so many errors in what he said its not even worth debating the post. the fact he doesnt even mention the word 'drogba' just confirms he is clutching.

[evissy]

In signing players in some extent I agree with that Ar*sefan. Riccy and Essien have been vital to us along with Drogba though. Ranieri bought really well it has to be said. He created the base for the success we have had.

One thing that Ar*sefollower don't understand how The Special One gave the team confidence to egde out other big teams. In CL we lost against teams that went on and won the CL (Scum and Barca). Could have been us but due to injuries, bad luck and fatigue we lost.

[MURDOCH_(8)]

In signing players in some extent I agree with that Ar*sefan. Riccy and Essien have been vital to us along with Drogba though. Ranieri bought really well it has to be said. He created the base for the success we have had.

One thing that Ar*sefollower don't understand how The Special One gave the team confidence to egde out other big teams. In CL we lost against teams that went on and won the CL (Scum and Barca). Could have been us but due to injuries, bad luck and fatigue we lost.

That was our main strength, our fighting mentality and our belief we could beat anyone, thats why Jose was so special.

[ethicalstrategy]

And your point is what exactly?

Still, always nice to read what an Arsenal fan thinks.

[callista]

Bradymagic

I could pick hole's in that all day long.......obviously has no knowledge of whats going on at the club.

Stick to wondering why Arsenal haven't won anything for 3 years and managed to go from 5 points ahead to 5 points behind in 5 games.

I'm with bluenut, there are more holes in that article than in my old pair of tights I was about to throw out, it's not even worth pulling apart.

It's funny that he should be nit picking Jose's record and allluding he was really not that good when despite all Wengers genius he has not won anything in what 3 years now?

And that looks like it will stretch to yet another season as well the way things are going.

Jose must be sniggering into his Mateus Rose after Wenger moaned about being defeated by a few long balls into the box last weekend.

I note he does not mention Drogba or Riccy in there, or the way he developed some of Ranieri's buys even more (JT, Lamps, Cole).

They are better players now because of Jose's development (and partly Ranieri too).

The guy misses the main point though, what Jose gave us was something not measured by player buys, he gave the team CONFIDENCE and a certain arrogance to believe they are never beat until the final whistle.

That's worth so much to any team.

[mudasar]

i have played in a team, which always won becuase of a 1 player who was head and shoulders above the rest,

every match we played we just knew we would win, even if were lossing with 5 minutes to go we knew we would win

that is the confidance jose gave the team, losing never crossed their minds or the fans,

[The Brit]

in amongst the incredible amount of bollox in the arse's post, ranieri didn't sign cech and robben...kenyon did...by the time the deals were done, ranieri and the club knew he wasn't going to be the manager the next season...as if they'd then give him any say in transfers..kenyon had been tracking robben for man u and poached him for us..cech was also on his radar...oh one last pt...ranieri beat arse once in his four years at chelsea, albeit memorably in champs league...jose was unbeaten against arse in three years

[TomP]

I think he makes a valid point (and a point that has been made by a lot of posters here as well) that transfer dealings weren't Mourinho's forte, and that Claudio had a very good eye for picking a player.

However, it does miss the gigantically huge point that Mourinho completely overhauled the style we played, changing the system to his own, which made us nigh on unbeatable for the best part of 3 years.

That, and he installed the much vaunted "winning mentality" which the players did not have under Claudio.

At the end of the day, Mourinho's record speaks for itself. 3 seasons - 5 major trophies.

Who cares whether he did it with players that he personally bought. By the time he left, every single member of the squad (with probably 2 notable exceptions) were "HIS" players. They played for him, knew what he expected of them and what he wouldn't tolerate.