Scolari - how does he rate with his predecessors?

[BlueBeard]

I've copied this post from another thread - just thought it would be interesting at this time to rate our managers over the years - or at least, over the years that I've been watching Chelsea. Just my personal opinions of course...

TOMMY DOCHERTY - legend!

DAVE SEXTON - hated him (for his lack of man-management skills and stubborness regarding Ossie & Huddy)

EDDIE McCREADIE - legend!

KEN SHELLITO - not good enough (great player though by all accounts)

DANNY BLANCHFLOWER - possibly our worst manager ever, but Scolari is fast closing in on that title

GEOFF HURST - complete w*nker, hated the c*nt, still do

JOHNNY NEAL - legend!

JOHNNY HOLLINS - crap, though let down by his choice of #2, that w*nker Ernie Walley

BOBBY CAMPBELL - done OK, but he's still a scouse w*nker

IAN PORTERFIELD - not good enough - first ever Premier League manager to be sacked

GLENN HODDLE - OK, but he was always a spud - started the ball rolling for our later success

RUUD GULLIT - legend!

GIANLUCA VIALLI - OK, but was let down by the arrival of Wilkins

CLAUDIO RANIERI - OK, but I can't forgive him for Monaco

JOSE MOURINHO - legend! The team fell away in his last year at the club, but how much of that was his fault and how much was due to interference from above, who knows?

AVRAM GRANT - crap! The team did well despite Grant, not because of him imo...

FILIPE SCOLARI - absolute crap! Enough has been said about him, I don't need to elaborate

I don't include Ron Suart and David Webb as they were only stand-ins.

Might be interesting to look at the assistants/coaches these managers had: -

TOMMY DOCHERTY - Dave Sexton, Ron Suart

DAVE SEXTON - Ron Suart

EDDIE McCREADIE - Ron Suart

KEN SHELLITO - ?

DANNY BLANCHFLOWER - Geoff Hurst

GEOFF HURST - Bobby Gould? - FFS

JOHNNY NEAL - Ian McNeill

JOHNNY HOLLINS - Ernie Walley - wally by name..., Bobby Campbell

BOBBY CAMPBELL - Ian Porterfield

IAN PORTERFIELD - ?

GLENN HODDLE - Peter Shreeves

RUUD GULLIT - Graham Rix

GIANLUCA VIALLI - Graham Rix, Ray bleedin' Wilkins

CLAUDIO RANIERI - Gwyn Williams?

JOSE MOURINHO - Baltemar Brito, Steve Clarke

AVRAM GRANT - Henk ten Cate, Steve Clarke

FILIPO SCOLARI - Steve Clarke, Ray bleedin' Wilkins

Not a complete list, maybe someone can help fill in the gaps

[loz]

I think you missed my post in the other thread Steve - I am pretty sure Porterfield's assistant was Stan Ternent.

[Backbiter]

Pretty sure Ron Suart was Shellito's assistant. He didn't resign over a club car like Eddie Mac, so I think he was kept on.

And when was Don Howe assistant? Can't remember myself.

EDIT - Just Googled it: it was under Porterfield

As I said in the other thread, I agree with your assessments, but I think Hoddle was a lot better than OK, Spud or no Spud.

Edited January 12, 2009 by Backbiter

[BlueBeard]

Pretty sure Ron Suart was Shellito's assistant. He didn't resign over a club car like Eddie Mac, so I think he was kept on.

And when was Don Howe assistant? Can't remember myself.

EDIT - Just Googled it: it was under Porterfield

As I said in the other thread, I agree with your assessments, but I think Hoddle was a lot better than OK, Spud or no Spud.

Cheers for that - my memory isn't all it should be, forgot all about Don Howe (and Stan Ternent)! I blame lack of alcohol. I'm also pretty sure you're right about Ron Suart being assistant to Shellito. Ron Suart was a really nice bloke, spoke with him a few times back then, a real gent.

Due to my permanent stance of 'anything from N17 is sh*te', I couldn't possibly have rated Hoddle as anything more than 'OK'. But as nobody's watching, I've got to admit you're right, he was special. Schtum's the word though! ;)

Edited January 12, 2009 by BlueBeard

[geezer]

Cheers for that - my memory isn't all it should be, forgot all about Don Howe (and Stan Ternent)! I blame lack of alcohol. I'm also pretty sure you're right about Ron Suart being assistant to Shellito. Ron Suart was a really nice bloke, spoke with him a few times back then, a real gent.

Due to my permanent stance of 'anything from N17 is sh*te', I couldn't possibly have rated Hoddle as anything more than 'OK'. But as nobody's watching, I've got to admit you're right, he was special. Schtum's the word though! :D

I've just copied and pasted this post on a spurs fan website ;)

[loz]

In answer to your question Steve I would say that the last manager we have had who I rate Scolari alongside is Porterfield. Every one since then I would rate higher (although I do acknowledge that this is based on half a season with Scolari which is a little harsh).

[BlueBeard]

I've just copied and pasted this post on a spurs fan website ;)

git

[Chippy]

Great list and really made me think about things I was doing when these managers where with us, brings back memories like old Records,

Found a few lapses where I got heavily involved in other things and Football took a back seat for a while..or my Brain is more addled than I thought :D

Here's my thoughts on them.

TOMMY DOCHERTY - First Manager we had when I started on my Chelsea Sentance, Cant remember too much of him.

DAVE SEXTON - Loved winning the Cup against Leeds, Hated him Letting Ossie and Hudson go,

EDDIE McCREADIE - Should have stayed for ten years, great manager

KEN SHELLITO - I blacked out while he was there

DANNY BLANCHFLOWER - I would have defended him for about three months, then agreed he was Crap.

GEOFF HURST - Always a Spammer and never liked him in charge.

JOHNNY NEAL - Found some great players and got them playing better, Loved the bloke.

JOHNNY HOLLINS - Felt sorry for John, Loved him as a player and tought he would be good as manager (what do I know)

BOBBY CAMPBELL - Another blip in my football memory, only know what I've read

IAN PORTERFIELD - Never looked like a number one although I was still involved in something else too much to comment.

GLENN HODDLE - Good Manager I thought, gutted when he took the England Job (could do with his hands on lady)

RUUD GULLIT - legend! quality, attracted players, played attractive should have won more than a cup with him.

GIANLUCA VIALLI - Loved Vialli and softened the blow of losing Ruud.

CLAUDIO RANIERI - liked Claudio, great team builder, think he would have gone on to win the title.

JOSE MOURINHO - Dont remember this bloke, heard he was ok but Clarkey pulled the strings ;)

AVRAM GRANT - Done better than anyone expected, steadied the ship well, quite handsome.

FILIPE SCOLARI - looked promising, rocking a bit but too early to judge.

Edited January 12, 2009 by Chippy

[loz]

JOSE MOURINHO - Don't remember this bloke, heard he was ok but Clarkey pulled the strings ;)

:D

Soon to be seen at a memorable quote near you.

[BlueBeard]

In answer to your question Steve I would say that the last manager we have had who I rate Scolari alongside is Porterfield. Every one since then I would rate higher (although I do acknowledge that this is based on half a season with Scolari which is a little harsh).

Fair comment. If I remember correctly, it was Ian Porterfield who bought Paul Elliott, so that puts him way above Scolari - lol. Plus of course he will always be a Chelsea legend for scoring that FA Cup Final winning goal for Sunderland against dirty Leeds.

Chippy! - Avram Grant, quite handsome??? ;) :D

[forbzy]

Fair comment. If I remember correctly, it was Ian Porterfield who bought Paul Elliott, so that puts him way above Scolari - lol. Plus of course he will always be a Chelsea legend for scoring that FA Cup Final winning goal for Sunderland against dirty Leeds.

Chippy! - Avram Grant, quite handsome??? :D :D

Porterfield was a good coach and did well when assistant to Campbell. He was less impressive as a manager although he did bring Paul Elliott to the bridge. When you look at the excuses trotted about this season regarding injuries you have to acknowledge that losing Elliott that season had a major effect on our season. We were going well at the time and Porterfield even got 10 goals out of Mick harford in 1/2 a season. Once Elliott went we had very little depth back there and I think had to fall back on Frank Sinclair and David Lee. Even then we kept some form up until Christmas but we eventually ran out of steam and Porterfield paid the price. Perhaps if Elliott had stayed fit he would have lasted a little longer. Also Porterfield brought a lot of youth into the first team with the likes of Shipperley, Newton, Sinclair coming in alongside already established youth products like Graeme Stuart and Graeme Le Saux. It was a very different era and a much lower spending budget. So based on that I'd say he beats Scolari comfortably so far.

[callista]

Great list and really made me think about things I was doing when these managers where with us, brings back memories like old Records,

Found a few lapses where I got heavily involved in other things and Football took a back seat for a while..or my Brain is more addled than I thought :)

Here's my thoughts on them.

TOMMY DOCHERTY - First Manager we had when I started on my Chelsea Sentance, Cant remember too much of him.

DAVE SEXTON - Loved winning the Cup against Leeds, Hated him Letting Ossie and Hudson go,

EDDIE McCREADIE - Should have stayed for ten years, great manager

KEN SHELLITO - I blacked out while he was there

DANNY BLANCHFLOWER - I would have defended him for about three months, then agreed he was Crap.

GEOFF HURST - Always a Spammer and never liked him in charge.

JOHNNY NEAL - Found some great players and got them playing better, Loved the bloke.

JOHNNY HOLLINS - Felt sorry for John, Loved him as a player and tought he would be good as manager (what do I know)

BOBBY CAMPBELL - Another blip in my football memory, only know what I've read

IAN PORTERFIELD - Never looked like a number one although I was still involved in something else too much to comment.

GLENN HODDLE - Good Manager I thought, gutted when he took the England Job (could do with his hands on lady)

RUUD GULLIT - legend! quality, attracted players, played attractive should have won more than a cup with him.

GIANLUCA VIALLI - Loved Vialli and softened the blow of losing Ruud.

CLAUDIO RANIERI - liked Claudio, great team builder, think he would have gone on to win the title.

JOSE MOURINHO - Dont remember this bloke, heard he was ok but Clarkey pulled the strings

AVRAM GRANT - Done better than anyone expected, steadied the ship well, quite handsome.

FILIPE SCOLARI - looked promising, rocking a bit but too early to judge.

Right, well showing my "newbie" credentials here rather embarrasingly I have highlighted by memories of Chelsea managers to date (cough).

RANIERI - aaah Claudio, how I loved thee, had a great eye for a player but I don't think he has that final something which defines a winner from a nice runner up. Could still prove me wrong with Juve though (he's on Jose's trail as we speak).

JOSE - now let me think....., suave, sophisticated, funny, paranoid, intelligent, crass, loud mouthed, noisy, vindictive, strong, pragmatic, witty, annoying, charismatic, loved silly little dogs oh and possibly the best thing Chelsea ever so stupidly lost. If we see another manager that has the impact that he did in the sort time he was with us, I will be genuinely stunned.

GRANT - grrrh, least said the better to avoid a fight with chippy and no he was not handsome and you know it damn you! Okay I was his close to him for a while I'll admit but it was nothing serious honest, times were tough and a gal has to make the best of what she gets left with after her one true love clicks his ruby slippers and disappears off in a puff of smoke to Italy.

SCOLARI - best not to give a final opinion before he's been sacked, which knowing our club will sooner rather than later. I think he's having a tougher time of it here than he ever thought he would personally, really came here for his final big pay day before retirement and as with all decisions taken for fundamentally the wrong reason he is paying the price accordingly.

Edited January 13, 2009 by callista