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Mourinho was at the helm for three full seasons. He brought success that we craved for so long but it came at the heavy price, and i'm not just talking money.

No need to compare us to Real Madrid swinging door policy, Jose was given plenty of second chances after oh so many falling outs with Roman, and he'll be compensated with the big bag of money on the way out.

I said it on the other thread: whether we like it or not, this is Roman's club. The two of them have been on the collision course for quite some time now, and if you appreciate the tremendous pressure Jose had to work under(comes with the job), you should by the same token appreciate the fact that Roman has been very patient with JM(not an easy task) all the while desperately hoping to see Chelsea play the kind of football he envisioned when he arrived at Stamford Bridge four years ago.

It was mostly good while it lasted but it stopped working quite some time ago.

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I get the feeling a lot of chelsea fans round here have been spoilt by our success...no i'm not blind to three disappointing results or a level of play that is not what it should be, but it seems like you lot are glad that he's gone...crazy talk...

I'm in the middle mate, and not ashamed to say it. I've said 100 times on here I would sacrifice constantly winning trophies and playing lousy football, for winning an occasional league and Champs league trophy playing beautiful football. I don't want Chelsea to win everything in sight (although it would be nice). I want us to play the beautiful game, like we played when I first fell in love with Chelsea. The last year and a half for me I have not seen the Chelsea I fell in love with. So while I am really sad to see Mourinho go, I also have hope for the future.

It's nothing to do with being spoiled with success mate, it's just my personal preference is for entertainment and some trophies over 0-0 draws and many trophies.

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well i don't think we'll be seeing any trophies this season after this debacle....there is no doubt that we are not playing the same style as when zola and co were here, but people were on here slagging the team off when that team lost games to poor opposition cos they weren't consistent/had right mentality etc...can Chelsea play with the freedom you want when Roman will fire the next man if he doesn't win the prem/champs league?

Jose is the best manager we've ever had no doubts...I have never seen any other boss make so many brilliant and brave tactical decisions to turn a game our way when we've been losing or even drawing...he had his faults too, don't get me wrong, it was embarassing in the liverpool champions league games when he put Huth/Terry up front in closing stages, but he will come back to knock us out of the champions league (if we're in it next season/s) with another team

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well i don't think we'll be seeing any trophies this season after this debacle....there is no doubt that we are not playing the same style as when zola and co were here, but people were on here slagging the team off when that team lost games to poor opposition cos they weren't consistent/had right mentality etc...can Chelsea play with the freedom you want when Roman will fire the next man if he doesn't win the prem/champs league?

Jose is the best manager we've ever had no doubts...I have never seen any other boss make so many brilliant and brave tactical decisions to turn a game our way when we've been losing or even drawing...he had his faults too, don't get me wrong, it was embarassing in the liverpool champions league games when he put Huth/Terry up front in closing stages, but he will come back to knock us out of the champions league (if we're in it next season/s) with another team

I agree with most of that, he was the best manager we have ever had, and quite possibly ever will. I will truly miss him, I don't want you misunderstanding me on that. I doubt there is ANY true Chelsea fan who is happy to see Mourinho go. It's impossible, the man is a legend here for life, and we should never forget what a team he made in those 2 invincible years. But I also do believe that as a club we have not moved forward over the last year and a half, in fact we have taken several large steps back. Something had to give

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Kev I would agree with you if the decision was made with such logic. However it is clear that this is the culmination of effort put in over the best part of the last year or so. One of the main reasons we have gone backwards over the last year has been the interfering and undermining of Jose's authority. When he was allowed to get on with the job we won back to back titles. Ever since the suits started to pick the new signings we have gone backwards.

With that in mind I don't hold out much hope for any manager.

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Two things need to happen now

1) the new manager needs to be given a season to get the team playing his way. We shouldn't place expectations that a new manager is just going to arrive and take us to the quad in his first season at the club.

2) the new manager needs cash and lots of it to bring in his transfer targets and get us playing the way he wants. We may get a boost offensively just through new tactics, but ultimately if the new manager wants us to play like Barcelona, then we are going to need to find some Messi's and Ronaldinho's.

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Kev I would agree with you if the decision was made with such logic. However it is clear that this is the culmination of effort put in over the best part of the last year or so. One of the main reasons we have gone backwards over the last year has been the interfering and undermining of Jose's authority. When he was allowed to get on with the job we won back to back titles. Ever since the suits started to pick the new signings we have gone backwards.

With that in mind I don't hold out much hope for any manager.

too right...for all those questioning Jose and they have their right to do so despite my arsey comments (i'm just upset!), no-one is questioning roman's role in all this...yes this guy saved us and done great to fund the signings, but he has also interfered and got in jose's face...i don't know how many top managers would be prepared to have signings forced on them (unquestionably in sheva's case) and have members of your backroom staff appointed without your consent Grant, arnesen etc...look at fergie and wenger, they are in complete control and have brought sustained success give or take during their time elsewhere.

I also worry about further upheaval...new manager means new players...what does this mean for lamps and his contract? players like drogba who have loved jose etc I would include terry in that list but it seems they have had a bust-up going by usual media insider stuff...one man who maybe happier is joe, he clearly wasn't too pleased with the way things were going this season

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too right...for all those questioning Jose and they have their right to do so despite my arsey comments (i'm just upset!), no-one is questioning roman's role in all this...yes this guy saved us and done great to fund the signings, but he has also interfered and got in jose's face...i don't know how many top managers would be prepared to have signings forced on them (unquestionably in sheva's case) and have members of your backroom staff appointed without your consent Grant, arnesen etc...look at fergie and wenger, they are in complete control and have brought sustained success give or take during their time elsewhere.

I also worry about further upheaval...new manager means new players...what does this mean for lamps and his contract? players like drogba who have loved jose etc I would include terry in that list but it seems they have had a bust-up going by usual media insider stuff...one man who maybe happier is joe, he clearly wasn't too pleased with the way things were going this season

No need to be so dramatic Brit. Even if Shevchenko was Roman's signing, one player can't destroy the whole chemistry within the club and to give him credit Sheva had never made his feelings known in public and kept trying. Who else you can name that was 'forced' on Mourinho? Let's be honest, it was his team, built the way he wanted, and he was given plenty of time and money and a lot of top players to choose from. I'm sick and tired of JM fans trying to portray him as a victim. If it's such a bad spot to be at, how come so many top managers are vying to fill Mourinho's spot?

There's always pressure and there's always some type of interference when we're talking about big clubs, big money and big expectations. As for Fergie and Arsene they're exception to the rule(although with Glazers and possible new owners at Emirates this 'complete control' notion is bound to change), and let's not forget it was Mourinho's longest stay as a coach with the same team - is it unreasonable to suggest that he is not the 'long term material' manager and would be better off seeking a fresh challenge? Pro-Jose crowd is quick to blame Roman and the board for forcing Jose out but i wouldn't rule out Mourinho

forcing their hand when he realized he had lost control of the team and was basically desperate to walk out and blame the debacle on the owner interference.

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No need to be so dramatic Brit. Even if Shevchenko was Roman's signing, one player can't destroy the whole chemistry within the club and to give him credit Sheva had never made his feelings known in public and kept trying. Who else you can name that was 'forced' on Mourinho? Let's be honest, it was his team, built the way he wanted, and he was given plenty of time and money and a lot of top players to choose from. I'm sick and tired of JM fans trying to portray him as a victim. If it's such a bad spot to be at, how come so many top managers are vying to fill Mourinho's spot?

There's always pressure and there's always some type of interference when we're talking about big clubs, big money and big expectations. As for Fergie and Arsene they're exception to the rule(although with Glazers and possible new owners at Emirates this 'complete control' notion is bound to change), and let's not forget it was Mourinho's longest stay as a coach with the same team - is it unreasonable to suggest that he is not the 'long term material' manager and would be better off seeking a fresh challenge? Pro-Jose crowd is quick to blame Roman and the board for forcing Jose out but i wouldn't rule out Mourinho

forcing their hand when he realized he had lost control of the team and was basically desperate to walk out and blame the debacle on the owner interference.

I have two things to say on that

1. The saying that one bad apple ruins the batch is apt. I'm not saying there are any bad apples at Chelsea, only that if there are, it only takes one.

2. Mourinho has to take responsibility for his squad. Even assuming Shevchenko and Ballack aren't his signings, what do you say for Malouda, Essien, Drogba, Ben Haim, Kalou, etc. Fact is, the squad as it stands is very much one of Mourinho's creation and even if some signings were forced upon him, these players haven't appeared to get much of a run this season anyway.

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No one can say exactly why he has been sacked but if its for on-fiels stuff im very dissapointed because as ive said else where every team goes through its shocking times and those that stick by there manager espesialy when proven like wenger or ferguson see the rewards. I fear we'r never going to do that now and IMO have got rid of the best manager in the world

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If it's such a bad spot to be at, how come so many top managers are vying to fill Mourinho's spot?

As we have ended up with Avram Grant, who doesn't fill ANY of the criteria for a Manager of my CFC, it would appear that you might be a tad wrong with that statement, and NO top managers are vying to fill Mourinho's spot.

Kev

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it seems there are quite a few on here glad he's gone...maybe Jose will think Abramovich is not the only ungrateful ba*tard at the club? let's all celebrate the era of Grant, bet the bookies have stopped taking bets that he won't last a year...what a joke!

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Anything specific Qaz or is that just a "general" feeling?

Im suprised your questioning me on this point.

Mourinho time and time again picked players who were "athletic" in nature. I picked out Malouda last summer well before there was any hint Chelsea were interested and said "Malouda looks like a Mourinho type of player to me". I was subsequently talked down, being told that with Robben we had plenty of left sided players and wouldn't be buying him. Turns out that we did

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I said to my missus last night that this would be Jose's last season, I said we would not win anything and then next season would be a rebuilding prosess under a new manager and we had better hope we get the right man.

I cant help thinking now that we are in the same boat, Grant will likely take over we will likely win nothing and next season a new manager will start rebuilding, a waste of a season if you ask me.

I think Jose is the best manager we have ever had and defensively the best there is but do recognise we have been going nowhere for quite a while, although hard to beat not exactly great going forward and not so scarey for other teams as we should be, that said I would love to have been able to have a listen to Jose's plans on how he would change that before making a decision on if I thought he should stay or not.

I thank the man for what he gave us the trophy's , the 3 years unbeaten at home, the games with Arsenal are a special memory too after our record before Jose,

I am worried angry and excited all at once and only the reappointment of Ruud could cheer me up right now.

I do hope Clarkey is kept on as he is Chelsea through and through.

A great manager Jose, good luck to him in the future.

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If it's such a bad spot to be at, how come so many top managers are vying to fill Mourinho's spot?

As we have ended up with Avram Grant, who doesn't fill ANY of the criteria for a Manager of my CFC, it would appear that you might be a tad wrong with that statement, and NO top managers are vying to fill Mourinho's spot.

Kev

You didn't expect the new manager to arrive within a few hours after Mourinho had left, did you? If anything, it shows that Roman hasn't planned to fire Jose , if he did, he'd have done that in the summer when he could have been replased.

There are plenty of top quality managers who would love to try themselves in charge of Chelsea, JM was given three seasons and he wasn't the easiest person to get along with, yet Roman endured because he was smart enough to recognize his pedigree and importance of being patient when it comes to building a successful side.

Grant and Clarke are interim solution, nothing more.

Update: here's the first one of many:

Didier Deschamps was the first to declare his availability. "I am interested," he said. "If you know a coach who's not interested in going to a club like Chelsea, show me him."

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